What are all the options to take a Alpine ibex?

This is what I know already, any help you can give would be fantastic.

They are huntable in Austria, Germany (high fence), Switzerland, Slovenia and maybe a couple other areas.

I know Count Bucher has some in Austria on his private property, but don't know if they are high fence or not. Bob Kern is a booking agent for them.

The ones in Germany are high fence, I think this was in Bavaria but not in the alps. Ken Wilson is a booking agent for them.

The ones in Switzerland have to be applied to with the Government of a $4000 application fee (about that anyway), and then a $15-20,000 price tag.

The ones in Slovenia I have no idea on.

for the slovene side :

Lovska zveza Slovenije
Župančičeva 9
1000 LJUBLJANA

telefon: (01) 241 0910
telefaks: (01) 241 0926
trr LZS: 02010-0015687097 NLB, d.d. Ljubljana
e-pošta: lzs@lovska-zveza.si

at mini 15000€ and morely 20000 to 25000€

all the best.

We have no hunting season for ibex in germany, that means there is no hunting for ibex. I guess you can kill ibex if it's considered as livestock (and behind a high fence) but this is the first time I hear that.

Switzerland has a different laws for every Kanton, so your statement can't be true for the whole country. I know that foreigners can hunt ibex in Kanton Wallis but it's very expensive.

Slovenia and Austria offer ibex but not cheap.

This is everything I found in English on alpine ibex hunting in Europe.

Of course they can be shot in Texas, Missouri and Nebraska for about $10,000 US. I am personally looking for more of an experience than just shooting one.

http://www.austriatrophyhuntin...ricelist-English.pdf

http://www.profihunt.com/en/pr_ibex_austria.html

http://www.jagdkontor.com/medi...list-PDF/Germany.pdf

http://www.profihunt.com/en/pr_ibex_austria.html

http://www.interhunt.com/blog/...tria_alpine-ibex.pdf

My questions would be:

1. I know most of the hunt managers/jagermeister/gamekeeper folks are pretty good at judging the size of the animal. What happens if they tell me he's 85 CM and we shoot him and he's 95 CM or worse 105 CM? And it's $10,000 or more.

2. How long does it take to draw in Switzerland?

MOA,

2) i dont think and doubt you ll get a draw in the valais for an ibex unless your a valais resident. i can forward you the link about the hunt and the draw but they re in french.

oups my bad i found a link in french :

http://www.chassevalais.ch/sit...lt/files/Binder1.pdf

1750 francs suisse for a chamois or a female ibex and from 3000 francs suisse up to 55cm to 20000 francs suisse for 110 cm over that the price will be given on site.

1) from what i remember in Poland so the rules should be similar you can accept to pay the extra and keep the trophy and sign the final contract or say no. but again you have to be sure when signing the intial hunting contract before even when you ll start to dig into the operators. (hope im clear)

Moa,
Nice to see you have narrowed down you choice
of ibex to the alpine.I know an eastern european
agent that can offer this for a very good price and the trophy fee will be the best.Can you hunt this fall?The guides can tell you exactly
what you are looking at or they will pay the difference.Time to go hunting.P.U.O.S.U.

Medved,

Yes, thanks that makes quite a bit of sense. Had a similar situation before.

I don't really know what a 95 cm ibex looks like, but 10,000 CHF IS $10,500 USD. That is something I could probably in 2015.

Thanks for that pdf. I'll try and get on the get in line to get one. Bob Kern told me he only had 2 tags for Count Buchers place for 2013.

Cats,

You pot stirring bastard , a man can only do what he can afford to do.

Since your the expert, what is cheaper? 2 ibex in the Kyrghiz/Kazk republics, 2 in Mongolia or one in the Alps.

Hi MOA - a 95cms. Ibex is a huge one. Normally, pedending on the bases a 75-80 cms. One should make CIC gold medal.

Best regards,
Carlos

Carlos,

Gracias Amigo!

here s a 88 cm (CIC gold medal)

http://www.natuxo.com/photos-c...is-suisse-28593.html

so of course 95 cm or 37"4 is a huge one .... gold medal start at 31" (rougly as the width and the base are included in but that give an idea) ...

Medved,

Thank you for posting that, wonderful.

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Originally posted by MOA TACTICAL:
Medved,

Yes, thanks that makes quite a bit of sense. Had a similar situation before.

I don't really know what a 95 cm ibex looks like, but 10,000 CHF IS $10,500 USD. That is something I could probably in 2015.

Thanks for that pdf. I'll try and get on the get in line to get one. Bob Kern told me he only had 2 tags for Count Buchers place for 2013.

Cats,

You pot stirring bastard , a man can only do what he can afford to do.

Since your the expert, what is cheaper? 2 ibex in the Kyrghiz/Kazk republics, 2 in Mongolia or one in the Alps.

Not really stiring anything just giving you congrats on your choice in Ibex hunts.4 are for sure more expensive than one but 4 times the experience and 4 heads hanging on the wall.Mr.Kern and
Mr .Wilson will want a deposit at some point.
Thats what is so great about the internet that
one can learn so much as to give someone who can lay down their hard earned money advice but not actualy done the hunt,know the outfitter,or even been in the country they are talking about.

quote:

Originally posted by MOA TACTICAL:
Medved,

Yes, thanks that makes quite a bit of sense. Had a similar situation before.

I don't really know what a 95 cm ibex looks like, but 10,000 CHF IS $10,500 USD. That is something I could probably in 2015.

Thanks for that pdf. I'll try and get on the get in line to get one. Bob Kern told me he only had 2 tags for Count Buchers place for 2013.

Cats,

You pot stirring bastard , a man can only do what he can afford to do.

Since your the expert, what is cheaper? 2 ibex in the Kyrghiz/Kazk republics, 2 in Mongolia or one in the Alps.

Wait I just thought of a soultion.Does the hunting consortium do lay-a-way for 2015 like K-Mart at Christmas?Count Buchers place here he comes!Only 2 tags left.better get busy dont want to let all that reasearch and tire kickin go to waste.

Are you always this much of an asshole? Not everyone has the finances you do, and that shouldn't keep you from acting like a jackass to those that don't.

Buchers Ibex are in a cage, same as the ones in Germany. Got an email from Kern a couple days ago. It's allegedly a 25,000 acre cage but none the less.

Not what I am looking for, or can afford for a goat in cage.

I need something for under $12000 round trip.

Lots of booking agents do layaway. That's how people like me who make less than $40,000 a year get to do some big time hunts every couple of years.

The only reason I have got to do any big hunts is layaway.

Yes you ass just like K-Mart at Christmas.

Speaking of which, it is September I need to get to paying on the kids blue light specials.


((edited by MOA to remove the F-word, and other counter insults. We have proven that Cats isn't human in other post.))

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Originally posted by huntincats:
Not really stiring anything just giving you congrats on your choice in Ibex hunts.4 are for sure more expensive than one but 4 times the experience and 4 heads hanging on the wall.Mr.Kern and
Mr .Wilson will want a deposit at some point.
Thats what is so great about the internet that
one can learn so much as to give someone who can lay down their hard earned money advice but not actualy done the hunt,know the outfitter,or even been in the country they are talking about.

Cats,

hope your last words werent not directed to me ... but you re right its not my money ...

i gave two directions that are not outfitters but hunting federations with proven sucesses.
i myself never hunter troughout those organisations for the swiss one because i have no interest there (but i hunted chamois some years ago very close to the valais border) and for the slovene because i was slovene (so i consider knowing a little that country) and of course didnt need that organisation. just for note : going and hunting in a country doesnt mean you know the country either ....

but internet is here to help fellow friends too.

all of course with friendship.

Sorry medved nothing personal.
Moa.If you spend $12000 in 2015 is that
really a good investment on that $40000
salary?Since you are friends with Bob Kern
ask him hw you can pay for it with the coins
from the piggy bank.I have booked 2 hunts
through him and he allways wanted the full deposit.

Cats,

What am I supposed to do, wait 20 years when I am in my 60s, the kids are all grown up and I can't climb the mountain?

Bob's goats are not free range, and I never said he was my friend. I met him at FNAWS in 2000.

He likes bigger fish, not sure how big of a fish you are, a few of these guys will actually put up with the bullshit of middleclass folks like me who can barely afford big hunts every few years. Bob isn't generally one of those guys.

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Originally posted by MOA TACTICAL:


I need something for under $12000 round trip.

You can easily get (2x)Ibex in Kyrg for that but you won't get a decent size alpine Ibex+all the travels for $12000. Forget it!

Caracal,
Thats EXACTLY what I suggested to him eariler.I really want this guy to hunt an Ibex.For Seven grand he can have the most remote horseback,clinbing out of this world experience
of his dreams but you see he only lives this
ibex dream on the internet.Hell I even wish he would borrow the money and do it as I think that
for him it would be worth making payments based on how bad he think he wants it.

Guys door to door what is Kyrgistan, Mongolia or Kazkstan going to cost for 1 ibex?

$8000? From Denver to ibex and back?

What did it cost you to get your Stan/Mongolia ibex home?

quote:

Originally posted by MOA TACTICAL:
Guys door to door what is Kyrgistan, Mongolia or Kazkstan going to cost for 1 ibex?

$8000? From Denver to ibex and back?

What did it cost you to get your Stan/Mongolia ibex home?

Moa,

i think Mongolia ibex is not cheap.
You must pay more.
Kazakstan? Yes it is, for 8000USD you can shot an ibex + flights, tipps, hotels, but shipment to USA??? + 1000 or 1500USD.
I think for Kazakstan ibex you must pay 10K.
5OOO for Ibex and 5000for flights, shipment, hotels, tipps.
Russia Altai or Sayan Mountans - 3000USD for ibex, but logistic. you must pay the domestic flights Moscow - Barnaul ( Gorno Altaisk), transfers, shipment. all 7000-8000USD.
Kyrgyzstan ibex - 6000-7000USD (Service 2500+ Trophy fees 2000+ flights USA-Istambul-Bishkek 1500) -6000-7000USD with all. from US to US.