I know that the 8mm cartridges are popular in Europe, but I have never seen a 8mm Remington Magnum. I have a custom Sako built on the AV action with a Mcmillan stock and a 27 inch fluted stainless Lilja barrel.

I haven't imported it to Spain, as I didn't want to work out the ammunition problem.

Is this a cartridge that is used in Europe?

No, not used in Europe and hardly in the US.

But its easily handloaded: full lenght H & H cases, necked down. Its ballistically identical to the 8x68S, which is in turn technically superior, no belt, no headspace problem in long chamber, shorter Powder mass.

H

At least in Germanic countries the 8x68S rules.
There I see no room for the 8 mm Reg. Mag.

Fuhrmann

aHunter,

The 8mm Remington Magnum is highly popular in the U.S.

Have two -- one left-handed Remington 700 with custom barrel and one left-hand Sako. The Sako has a 30-inch heavy barrel.

Thinking of having a third one made to match my 470 Capstick and my 6mm/06 Mashburn for a three-rifle African combo. Think the 8mm would be great on baboons.

Hammer

mho,



Thank you for your response.



If we're going to limit the definition of popular to what big corporations are willing to do, then we are in a heap of trouble.



Next thing you will be telling me is that the 17 Ackley Bee, 22 K Hornet, the 6mm XC, the 280 RCBS Improved, the 416 Taylor, and the 500 A-Square are not highly popular.



You will be letting on that putting 850 cfm Holley carburators on 454 V8s with 411 gear ratios is not the best thing since sliced bread.



You will be telling me that adding extra wing and fuselage fuel tanks to Mooney 252s is out of style.



We cannot be tied to corporate marketing departments for the definition of popular.



Hammer

Marc,

In thinking again about it, was surprised that you considered the 22 K Hornet as the most "popular" of my list. Thought most folks would have gone for the 6mm XC.

Hammer

let's define popular as many folks like it and actually own one and use one in the filed or on the range. Hmmmmmmm. By that definition, the 8mm Remmington Magnum is a complete and total flop. Sorry. It is not widely used cartridge in the US or any of the other countries I have visited or read about or have friends who live in them. ANd I see absolutely nothing to change that fact in the foreseeable future. The 8 mag was never popluar at any time in its history. The gun manufactuerers just responded to those facts. SOme one sitting in their living room with the TV turned on reading the latest gun magazine article about the 8mag and thinking to themselves, "Hey, that's an awesome cartridge! I think i will have a custom gun built on it after the next three projects I want are finished" does not count as an endsorsement in the Grand Cartridge Popularity Contest.

BTW-all of all of the the other cartridges you mentioned, exactly zero could even remotely be considered as "popular" on any scale that would be agreed upon by a large group of informed shooters. K-hornet is the closest by far.

People sometimes read groups like are on this board and get the idea that there are lots of folks out there with similar ideas. The reason groups like this prosper on the internet is because most folks can't find enough people locally to sit down and have these conversations with without a lot of travel. Don't let this board skew your idea of reality

Marc,



Thank you for your response.



Take it you're not adding fuselage tanks to your Mooney or increasing the carburator size on your 454 V8 either.



Guess you're not too hot on the 19 Calhoun. And the resurrection of the 219 Donaldson Wasp is out of the question.



And ya'll are right. "Popular" is not the right word. But "popular" has never been anything that I've been familiar with.



Well, guess we'll stick with the 30/30 Winchester and 30/06 Springfield for a while longer.



Hammer

Let's get one thing straight right up frront, back when I dragged race I was a MOPAR man!!! On this family forum I can't adequately describe a 454. ANd don't start me on the Ford products they are even worse (well, the real 427 SOHC rocked). ANd yes, at one time I had dual Carter AFB's on a 440. Swapped it out to a single Holley later. 8 jets were just too much to keep tuned. Don't get m eworng, every truck I have owned, including my current 2003 Z71, was a Chevy. But when it comes time to go fast, give me a MOPAR. CDPD rules.

The post started out by asking if a certain cartridge was used on any sort of widespread basis, which is certainly the best indicator of popularity. All of my statements are still true an hour after I wrote them. No .219's in my immediate future. My 4 current personal projects are a .270, .505, .257 ROberts, and a .250-3000. Of these, the .270 without a doubt can be considered "popular". The others are used, but much less often. THe .257 and .250 are infiintely more popular than the 8mag by any legitmate means of measureing it. THe .505, well, it is about unknown to most.

Marc,



Again, thanks for your response.



Drove a Chrysler New Yorker with a 440 V8 to high school. Later, a Chevrolet Impala SS and a Chevy K20 pickup, both with 327 V8s. None were "popular" in the sense that there were many others in the parking lot.



Here in Idaho what local dealers have to sell and service carries a little more weight, so Fords with V10s and real old Jeeps get the nod.



"Popularity" does not count for much in what I use. Yes, one should be concerned about becoming separated from their ammo in remote hunting areas. But so far have been lucky in not having that happen. Carried everything from 378 Weatherby, 460 Weatherby, 500 A-Square, and 500 Nitro Express to Africa because that is what I wanted to use.



Currently playing with the 20 Tactical and a 6mm/06 Mashburn for Montana bull prairie dogs and a 500 Linebaugh and a 45 Super for plinking.



For amusement, am playing with a 221 Fireball with the shoulder pushed back enough to meet the 22 K Hornet halfway in powder capacity.



And back on the original topic of the 8mm Remington Magnum, am sure that nationwide (worldwide) there ain't many of them. But in southeastern Idaho, there is a few.



And you're right, the 270 is a popular cartridge. Even Elmer thought it was good for coyotes.



Hammer

Marc,



You're right. Am not too good on picking "popular".



My suggestion in the Gunsmithing forums of taking a German "Custom" grade 224 Weatherby Varmintmaster and converting it to left-hand, cock-on-closing, controlled-feed, Mauser claw extractor, stretched to 30/06 length, add a McMillan fiberglass stock and chamber it to 30/06 Ackley did not get too many takers.



Hammer

Gentlemen Relax!!!!!!!!

I like the cartridge. I think it's pretty neat. Remington factory ammo is slightly downloaded.

It's a big cartridge, faster than a 338 or 340 with handloads and flatter shooting. Too bad there isn't more tough 220 grain spitzers for it.

I like it, you might but if you don't that's fine too. I have only seen 4 used rifles in my 30 years of life in 8mm remington magnum and no new ones.

My custom Sako is the only custom rifle I have ever seen or heard about, other than the Boddington rifle.

I would say it's a Cult Classic cartridge.

Kokdyer,

Both of my 8mm Rem Mags are custom.

The Remington 700 is a left-hand job with a match grade blued barrel

The Sako is left-hand on a swap barrel system built by John Dustin, writer for Precision Shooting . The 8mm barrel is 30-inch Pac-Nor select match stainless steel.

The other barrels for the Dustin Sako are 264 Win Mag, 416 Rem Mag, 458 Lott, and 470 Capstick. The stock is a High Tech fiberglass with a Pachmayr Decelerator recoil pad and a pound of lead added to the butt. Have a quick detachable scope setup that includes a Leupold LPS 1.75 x 6 (discontinued), a Leupold 24X benchrest model, and a Leupold 4X. All the scopes are setup in their own rings which allows one scope to be switched to another in a minute. The swap barrel system allows calibers to be changed in about two to three minutes in the field without tools.

Really like the 8mm Rem Mag.

Hammer

The sleeper here is the 8MM-06, or 8X63, which at 60,000 psi delivers 3500 FPE. In the AI configuration, it delivers 3750 FPE. That's a 200 grainer wiffing along at 2900 fps, or a 220 at 2765 fps. Given bullet construction for most 8MM offerings, I am not certain what the extra 200 fps of the 8MM Mag is worth.

Yes, that is an interesting combination. Pity that the old 8x64S is as good as dead. I know that Brenneke started loading it again just a couple of years back. But both the ammo and the components are as expensive as +"*�%&/()!, and I have yet to see a rifle from one of the major manufacturers chambered for the round. Great pity, that would be a GREAT option for pigs and heavier European game.
- mike

Mike,

I saw a lady hunter carrying a 8x64 just a couple of weeks ago. I didn't get a close look at it but did notice it had the double set triggers you don't much care for. The only way I know the calibre is because I saw the box of ammo she was carrying.

Pigs is exactly what she was carrying that rifle for.

Is there published reloading data with pressure readings for these loads? Just curious. If I were building a Big 8, I would have to go with the old reliable 8x68S. I know, I know, I'm boring, but that's what I would do. ALmots built one a couple of years ago. It was about #6 on my project list and, well, you know how that goes

Stu...checking out a lady�s box ...at christmas time...sheesh

Regards

Trust Stu, never a dull moment when he is around. Ladies beware!
- mike

Stu C



Why didn't you grabbed that lady



Brenneke and S&B offers ammo for the 8X64S. I hope RWS picks it up



I have a ZG-47 in 8X64S



Cheers

/ JOHAN

I didn't know they were off limits at Christmas Does that mean I'm not getting my Christmas present tonight

Johan - she was carrying a rifle. Perhaps not the best time to try grabbing anything

Stu,
all things considered, you have already had your "present" by checking the lady�s box . But wait a sec...I�ve always heard of hard christmas presents or soft christmas presents, never of moist ones.

Ohhh...now I get it, hard-soft-moist, you guys in Switzerland...and at christmas time.

If you would convert to the old nordic religion and call X-mas Yule instead, this would be absolutely OK and would even be encouraged.

I was however just about to mention the nervecracking situation, grabbing an armed woman as beautiful as she may be, and an armed woman who clearly knows how to use it...some balls there.

I�m through with this blasphemy.

I feel that I must rush to my countryman's rescue: I am certain that what Johan meant to write was something more like "Why didn't you grab (and hold on to) that beautiful woman with such an exquisite taste in chamber offerings?"

Sometimes I wish I had held on to my ex, with ONLY Sako's in her safe. But then I remember her being mental, so I'm quite happy!

-- Mats