Konst, your English is better than meine Deutsch!

I use the Nosler 180 gr Partition almost exclusively here in Montana with no problems on deer up to mature bull elk. I think you might have shot the "1 out of 100" fallow's that would have reacted like this no matter what it was shot with! Perhaps a more "frangible" bullet at higher velocity would have dropped the deer quicker. I've dropped deer in their tracks with a 150 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip from the 30-06... still, I prefer heavier bullets that plow through and I suspect the 165 Partition is a very good compromise... shoot a few more animal's with it and don't be afraid to hit heavy bone... it'll work!

Tschus,

Brad

Animals do all sorts of things. Sometimes they stay down and sometimes they get up and run.



The best site for this information is at Wounding Theories



That site did not include much on the knockout component the last time I read it. My sub theory is that sometimes an animal will get the wind knocked out of it just as we do when we play football or get punched in the stomach or chest. What may happen next is that the animal falls and then either bleeds out per the site above or "comes to" and gets up and runs if the wound has not become fatal at that point.



As Brad said your bullet is as good as any.



The fact that the entrance hole was bigger than the exit could mean that the bullet hit a branch first and tumbled. I shot a whitetail that dressed out at 190 lbs with a 180 gr Speer Flat nose from a 358 Win. at 60 yds in heavy brush. The deer just kept running and fell 40 yds away. This almost never happens with the .358 as they usually go down and stay down sooner. The entrance and exit hole in particular were quite small. I theorize that my bullet hit a branch tumbled and therefore did not expand. So it goes.

In the winter of 97-98 I shot over 100 fallow does with my 6.5x55 and Speer 120 grain bullets. I did not find them hard to kill.

I suspect that if your fallow had been shot through the shoulders with the aim of breaking bones then it would not have run 60 metres. At last light in the forest I would probably have had a good dog ready to blood trail if I risked a shot behind the shoulders.

I have shot many fallow and roe through the heart and they have run 60+ metres before I find them dead. No problem.

I do not see a run by a "dead" animal as bullet failure. You made a good shot and you got your deer. Weidsmansheil!

Hey gazors,
i�m back from a short hunt to which a friend of mine invited me.
Yesterday in the evening time i managed to shoot a fallow calf. I used a .30-06 Springfield with a 165grs Nosler Partition (hand loaded) , loaded at normal speed.
Although i first thought of shooting through both shoulders i decided to make a "classic broad side shot", circa 4 fingers behind the shoulder. As the shot broke the calf went down for a second and then started to take flight from the place. I heared some branches that cracked as the calf went through the bush.
After i waited half an hour i decide to look for some "shot signs", and i found a small piece (3cm*1cm)of the the lung , but no bigger bloud trail (although i have to say, that it was bad light because short time before dusk, and so i may haven�t seen it)!
aprox. 60m further i found the calf dead in the tracks. Entrance whole was a bit bigger than the calibre diameter , and the exit wound was aprox. 5cm, and at the place where the calve layed there was a lot of blood to find.

And now my question to the hunters of you who do have more experiences concerning fallows: Are they hard in keeping shots? Is it normal that they have a longer elopement although you made a good shot?

My experiences concerning wildboar and roe hunting are,...if the game gets the shot they go immediately down and only in a very small number of cases i have to follow them up.
Up tp know i have shot 7 Fallows, most of them with my .30-06 and a 180grs Norma PS Silverblixt Bullet (factory load).

Two calve= nearly instant kills (follow up under 5 meters)
Shot distance in both cases have been under 30meters, Norma PS Silverblixt

One calve= escape route ca. 50meters (the calve was standing outside of the pack and after the shot the calf get back to the deer and than collapsed on the escape)
Shot distance 150 meters, Norma PS Silverblixt

One calve = escape route ca. 50 meters, shot with 260grs Nolser PT out of a .375H&H, Shot distance 135meters.

One calve (the one from yesterday) = escape ca. 60meters, NOSLER PT , Shot distance 40meters.

one spike= instant kills
Shot distance 160meters,Norma PS Silverblixt

one stag= instant kill
50 meters, Norma PS Silverblixt,..spine have been hit

All fallows have been shot with the Norma Factory Ammo with 180grs, only one i have shot with a .375H&H.
With the Silverblixt i had good results on boares,red�s, and roes in all cases(ca. 100 piece of Game).
I�m just wondering why the last calve went 60 meters with a good shot
I just haven�t that much experiences with the "new" load , the 165grs Nolser PT in my 30-06 on game.
But i am curious if the Nosler PT will work as good as the Silverblixt bullet, which is no longer manufactured from Norma.
I know, that the number of game is absolutely to small to say something about the effect of the bullet in general.
But usually i�m used to instant kills, and had some "bad" experience on a roe which i "liked" to shoot with the Nolser PT in my .30-06 (first shot on game with the PT in the .30-06). I couldn�t see any signs and even no blood, and not quiete sure if i realy missed the roe or may just wounded it?

Sorry for my bad english, but i just haven�t wrote in english for a long time, and so my writing style may look a little bit "wild" ;( but i hope you understand my question.

What do u think of the Nosler PT? Is it not a good choice in the .30-06 or...are fallows hard in keeping shots???

Thanks
konst

Hey Pete, thanks to you too.



I gues a lighter or more expanding bullet indeed will be better for light,thin skinned game, like fawns and does.

Only "Problem" is, that we do have a lot of wild boars, which do have thick skin, lot of grease under the skin and heavy bones, and everytime you can "get a chance" on a wild boar, why it�s better to have a "stronger" bullet, that will produce an exit wound.

And you are right, that the shot could be placed a little bit more to the shoulder...

As i wrote in the AR Forum Board "reloading" .... Nosler PT??... NOSLER PARTITION THREAD i usualy pratice shoulder shots on boars, i need a bullet that will make two wholes for a good blood trail.

Up to know i haven�t tzhe chance to see who the PT works on a wild boar, beacause last shot was a frontal brain shot and on the other side i don�t have the ammo for that long.

Guess the heavier the game weight gets and the more the bullet can give up the energy, the better the results get.

And to be honest, it�s better when the boars are instant kills nad the fallows run a little bit, than other way round.

I am not keen on scrawling through the bush at night after a wounded boar, guess what i mean?



Thanks a lot,

Konstantin

Hey at all and big thank u for the fast responding.

I think too, t hat tzhe Pt is a good Bullet, but up to now i hadn�t have the chance to "test it on game", that�s why i was curious what you get as results.

Mailnly i shoot roes and wild boars, from time to time red�s and fallows, but main game is definetely wildboar. Thats why i took the Nolser PT, because it�s necessary to get an exit wound. And as far as all the boars are instant kills, or mainly nearly all of them, i don�t have a bigger problem to follow roes or fallows or whatever. Because i�m not keen on going in thick bush at night (that�s the main time when we hunt boars overhere in Germany)to follow up a boar and get acquittenceship with some tusks...

�To follow up a deer isn�t that Problem as long as you have a blood-trail to follow.

As i said above it was to dark to see if a good bloodtrail exists, but i guess so.

Normaly we do have a blood hound,....but it�s not allways necessary to get it. I t hink most huinters don�t have a problem if their game will go a few steps, including me. But it�s not a good feeling when you sit on tree stand, make your shot and the game "leaves", sitting there, waitinng and think if u missed it, wounded it or got it.

These minutes that elapse are the hardest after the shot.

But i will follow your advice and see how the next game will "react".

The boar i shot with PT was an imediant kill, but it was a frontal brain shot at 10meters, so i think it�s not suitable to see how a bullet works if u place a frontal brain shot.



Back to the calve. At the moment it�s rut overhere and maybe the little calve was a little bit "adrenalined" from all the things that happens around it.



That�s how the place look like





The calve:





cheers

Konstantin

Konstantin,

I suspect that the 165grain Nosler PT is perhaps a bit too tough for Fallow especially for the fawns and you were not getting any expansion.

I use a 150grn Speer in my .308 and that does well on every thing from Roe to Red although I have had it fail to exit a couple of times on Red.

Also that shot like a little far back in the picture which again would not help...

Regards,

Pete