How many of you guys will hunt Roe Deer in Hungary this season. I leave on Monday with my Cousin.We will hunt in a Top Area 100 km east of Budapest and are looking for the Big Bucks.
Cant wait

Seloushunter

I might get invited to a spring roe buck selective hunt at a friends estate, this is in Sweden though, looking forward to it.

Spring hunt for roe buck is a result of the Tjernobyl disaster fall out here in some parts of Sweden, roe that feed heavily on mushrooms tend to have higher becuerell than other game.

Our hunt is that of cull/selective shooting of bucks that have poor genes or that are to old to really be breeding.

Any ways it´s good to have a bit of season to look forward to.

Best regards Chris

Hi

I will not hunt roe in Hungary this season. It's just out of my financial reach right now, also the season is right in my exam period.

The hungarinan buck are nice, are you going to hunt with horse and carrige? I always wanted to try that. I saw several nive bucks even from the train when I went to Debrecen 2 weeks ago.
Big bodies and solid trophys.

Hopefully I will finnish my exams before the summer, then I can get some roe hunting at home in Norway, the buck season starts at the 10th of august there. And that is on our own land so it's free!

Good luck!

Johan

Purely out of curiosity. I thought the Swedish season for roebuck started 16th of August.
Myself and 4 others went up near Alvesta in Smaaland 2 years ago for some boar shooting in June.we saw some fantastic bucks as we went out each evening to the high seats. The sight of a moose was an eyeopener also.They are somewhat bigger than what we are used to in Ireland !

Sika, it true that the "real" season for roe buck starts in aug 16 every years, guess where I am at 3.30 that date every year?

However they radioactive dust that landed in Sweden from Tjernobyl made the roes rather unhealty to eat in early fall untill late fall, mushrooms that they feed on heavily are accumalators in nature of radioactivity, as a result in the most affected areas there is a one month spring season for roe buck only.


The short season is by most used to cull/ shoot of aged bucks that are deemed unfertile and younglings with poor genetics.

Well there you have the answer.

Best regards Chris

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Originally posted by SIKA98K:
Purely out of curiosity. I thought the Swedish season for roebuck started 16th of August.
Myself and 4 others went up near Alvesta in Smaaland 2 years ago for some boar shooting in June.we saw some fantastic bucks as we went out each evening to the high seats. The sight of a moose was an eyeopener also.They are somewhat bigger than what we are used to in Ireland !

Folks

Meanwhile, in England the season has been open for a couple of weeks.

Other commitments have ensured my bucks have remained safe till now - but yesterday was a chance to change all that.

'Foxshooter' whom some met at Baldock #1, was down for a weekend break with his family. As is often the case, marginal weather helped the enjoyment of his break reach such a pitch, that he called and enquired if I might fancy an outing. It wasn't hard to persuade me!

We duly met next morning and drove ten minutes to a spot that has not been visited in the last year. He knows it well - as we have watched a particularly fine buck there over the last couple years.

The walk-in skirted a ploughed field and expectations started to raise as slots were noted, running along the hedgeline. The place looked like a motorway for Roe! To add to the anticipation, ours were the only human tracks showing on this path. Traversing a gate, the grounds obligingly fell away to our front - easing the job of spotting bucks on the well groomed pastures. Nothing!

Well, not quite. I picked up a couple of Roe some 700m away. Stood against a hedgeline, they seemed happy and relaxed. Certainly not going anywhere or even taking the trouble to feed.

We made our way to a further vantage point with the benefit of some cover, and continued to glass. In a muted voice, I mentioned that chances were high that we had arrived prior to the animals starting to move on their morning feeding bout. As if on command, a couple does appeared from behind a hedge a couple hundred metres to our front. Whilst Pete was watching these, my eye was caught by movement. A hushed whisper, and we dropped to kneel inconspicuously against the border of the field. The rising sun had bathed the area in a golden glow, that illuminated a fine six pointer as he ambled up the hedge - on a route that would soon have him walking over our feet!

The minutes passed, allowing Pete to settle his rifle securely onto crossed sticks and await a favourable shot. Thus supported, he was rock steady and announced that he could take a shot as soon as it presented.

The buck moved ever closer - dropping his head to take a bite, then stalking yet further towards us. Eventually he was close enough that his attention was drawn to the unfamiliar blob of muted green we represented. I gently waved one hand, the other still supporting my binoculars. He hesitated and started to quarter away. At that moment the 7mm spat and through my glass I could see him dropping like a stone. Instantly killed, an explosion of fur marking the exiting bullet.

The world stood still for a second - then a burst of movement as three further deer, previously unseen, streaked across the field for the safety of the sheltering copse. A moment later and the echoes of the shot faded - a cock pheasant stalked across the pasture, and the business of the woods and fields continued as normal.

Pete slowly exhaled, turned and his face cracked into a broad smile - ' Damn, but after all this time, that still gets me excited'! I pounded him on the shoulder, still caught up in the moment - and couldn't agree more. There is something so special about the Roe Bucks, the warm sping weather, the vivid greens of the returning foliage and the sheer grace and beauty of these little deer.

We walked forward, swiftly gralloched the buck and slipped him into the Roe-sack. The walk out was a happy affair as we reflected on how straightforward lowland stalking could be. In total, we probably walked no more than four hundred metres and that on level ground. We had the Buck in our sights within ten minutes of leaving the car, and were back on the road after no more than forty minutes. Truly, easy going compared with what others have to endure as part of their hunting!

Back to the house for a well earned breakfast, but first we stopped on the way out of the vale - to take a last glass of the area. Leaning on a gate, we looked down on the broad expanse of the valley. It soon became apparent that our intrusion had caused no distress - the ground was alive with grazing deer. A quick calculation showed that within 600sqm we had some thirteen visible Roe. Looks like there is more work to do!

Rgds Ian

Congrats, there is nothing like it is there?

/Best regards Chris

the danish season starts the 16 of may and im already getting the jitters, i was out looking for scrabes yesterday and found lots of it on my grounds.

im going to stalk only with dbl. rifle this year, so i can get some pratice with it before i go to africa in aug.

ian where are the pics ?

i still find stalking roebuck as the finest form of hunting there is, for me at least.

best regards

peter

fantastic report Ian,

Spring roe buck has to be the cream of the crop when it comes to stalking.

You set the scene very well.
Can't wait to get out myself.

Regards

Paul

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Originally posted by peterdk:

im going to stalk only with dbl. rifle this year, so i can get some pratice with it before i go to africa in aug.

ian where are the pics ?

peter

Sorry - camera in the car this time around, & I don't have Puntgunner's gift for phots!

Thinking of just using the combi and iron sights to add some spice to my Roe stalking - though I am now in complete turmoil.

I have just found a rather pretty Sauer Drilling in 7x57/ 16 gauge S/S!!! Should I buy it - or just go mad thinking of a missed opportunity?

Rgds Ian

Ian

I wish I could have lhelped you on that front but alas.....

however were you to buy it and bring it up to play in Sussex, I'd be happy to supply dinner??

Rgds,
K

Oh, I had not been aware that the Tchernobyl desaster was in fact good for anything. Now I've learned that it provides an additional season for the Swedish hunters.

We still have minor problems in certain areas with wild boar, they are thus regularily checked on radioactivity when hunted. These areas received rainfall in the days after the desaster.

Nice story Ian, have the bucks coloured their antlers yet?

I saw a couple last weekend which were still sporting pretty bone white hatracks.

Ian, you´ll just have to get it, they are a true woodsmans rifle.

Mine has 12 gauge barrels, a miss really cause the 16 gauge barrels makes them lighter and easier to carry around.

I have had my chokes opened to 1/2 in both barrels it will allow me to take shots at flying game as well.

Don´t let it be the one that got away!?

Best regards Chris

I have just found a rather pretty Sauer Drilling in 7x57/ 16 gauge S/S!!! Should I buy it - or just go mad thinking of a missed opportunity?

Nice report Ian!

I've culled a few spikes on rape that will be too tall shortly.

The 243 has just been to the range for a check before I take to the wheat fields with my bipod. Some wet morning crawls are in my diary.

I reckon the drilling sounds great but they do appear at auction quite regularly so make sure it really is in good nick. Once you start to work on them a cheap one becomes more expensive than a good one very quickly. Mounting scopes is often difficult and expensive but the irons are good for 75m goats on my mates.

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Originally posted by IanF:

Sorry - camera in the car this time around, & I don't have Puntgunner's gift for phots!

Thinking of just using the combi and iron sights to add some spice to my Roe stalking - though I am now in complete turmoil.

I have just found a rather pretty Sauer Drilling in 7x57/ 16 gauge S/S!!! Should I buy it - or just go mad thinking of a missed opportunity?

Rgds Ian

ian if it is in good nick, and you can afford it, then go for it. i have an old drilling and when i just go for a walk it is the one i pick up, for the fun of it.

regarding sights and the mounting do what a lot of other people do. get a 11mm base mashined into the rip quick easy and real cost efficient. you can get QR rings for the 11mm as well.
get it and have fun

best regards

peter

ian if it is in good nick, and you can afford it, then go for it. i have an old drilling and when i just go for a walk it is the one i pick up, for the fun of it.

regarding sights and the mounting do what a lot of other people do. get a 11mm base mashined into the rip quick easy and real cost efficient. you can get QR rings for the 11mm as well.
get it and have fun

best regards

peter[/QUOTE]

No really don´t, just like they say in that show Brainiacs, dont drill holes in the rifle to add a 11 mm base.

Why? First of cause it´s plain wrong, second it is a good way to have the solder joints come loose and third it looks like, well you know.

Peter, I must advice you to respect your own byline

On a more serious note, the barrel package is not made to have a weight added to it, like suggested, sure it works, my drilling was set up that way when I saved it in an auction, but I still had the barrels checked out by my rifle smith before use.

It´s far better to once spend the money on a swing mount from EAW or others so that one can have the best from both worlds, open sights and a scope close at hand.

Swing mounts are better than claw mounts as they will allow one to actually have more than one scope for the drilling, a 1.1-4x 24 and 8x56 for example would do the trick.

Well I better stop ranting now but, consider the deevaluation of the drilling before having it drilled and tapped.

Best regards Chris

chris i dont want to start a but please read your own rant again.

when we do the 11mm base over here, if the top rip is wide enough we mill it directly into the top rip, if not we make 2 dove tail cuts about 1,5 cm long in the rib and attach the base there, either with a screw or solder it in there.

this is the least obtrusive way of making bases on a drilling or dbl. rifle.

please inform me how the swing mounts are better than claw mounts and how you get them on there without drilling or soldering ?

when you suggest either eaw swing mounts or claw mounts on one hand and then advice against putting weight on the barrels because it affects the regulation, what do you mean ?

both systems are bigger than the 11mm system and more heavy, so wich is it ?

Why? First of cause it´s plain wrong, second it is a good way to have the solder joints come loose

how do you use a drill ?
i try to live by my byline everyday

best regards

peter

Ah well - I ignored the lot of you - went out and bought it anyhow!!

Folks, it is glorious - everything I could want and pretty as a picture. The best part?

It comes complete with an original Hertel & Reuss 2-7x rail scope - with lovely tight claw mounts.

Now I just need to get some 7x57R brass and get loading!

The shot barrels are choked half and full - and certainly demolish clays with 'authority'. Will see how I get on before considering opening them out - but not sure about using slugs (Brennekes) through a full choke barrel!

FB - Artemis has just got herself a nice combi 12/.243 - picked this Drilling up, and promptly cleaned a course of clays. At least I don't have any concerns regarding finding a buyer should I ever wish to sell!

Rgds

Ian

ian
congratulations you will love it, im sure.
pics please

best regards

peter

Ian- great news, now you are all set to come to Sweden for some driven roe deer hunt, both you and Jo.

You should regard that as an invite. Btw I have brass, Norma, interested?



Peter, I would not want a pissing match with you, I hate losing and it’s bad for me to do so.

Rereading your comment, not mine I found that I have made some assumptions that were just plain wrong.

I blame my self for the fact that you took my comment as you did, and in that spirit, let me be clear about one thing, English is but my third language.

I might not always be able to convey the message properly and correct.



Above is a picture of my drilling, when I got it at an auction it came this way.

With a cracked stock and the optics mount that can be seen it became mine for a song and change.

Closing in on the matter of argument, the ribs on most drilling, all the ones that I have handled are nothing more than a piece of shaped sheet metal, not like the ribs on Ds that are in most cases solid.

What had been done to my drilling is that a smith, has drilled and tapped 4 holes in the rib, the metal is about 1, 5-2mm thick and then proceeded to screw on a weaver base.


I find this method that is far too common in Sweden to be a bad one; many people will agree with me hence the price at the auction.


Using a red dot on the drilling this method will work, probably for the duration of the life span of the drilling however,

Should any one add a bigger scope, the screws or the rib will eventually rip/break or loosen.

I have seen it been reported, the guy had a larger scope in a mount like on my drilling, while shooting slugs it came clear off, the rib was torn and had to be replaced.

This is where I got you wrong, I thought that was what you were describing as a preferred method, but so is not the case apparently.

I find and think that swing mounts are "better" because they need less fitting by the smith, are less expensive, they will also like I stated above allow for more than one scope being fitted on the drilling.

Claw rings are outstanding, nice and low however they are hand fitted and will not easily lend them self to having more than one scope on the drilling, at least not two different sizes and in so the reason for having more than one is lost.


All mounting of swing or claw mounts entails soldering, or at least it should when it comes to drillings.

Regarding regulation of a drilling, although it is a interesting subject, I didn’t mention anything about that, I spoke in passing of using the drilling for different hunting situations, with a swing/claw mount one can carry the drilling bare and then when and if the need arisen, click on the scope and use it.

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Originally posted by peterdk:
chris i dont want to start a but please read your own rant again.

when we do the 11mm base over here, if the top rip is wide enough we mill it directly into the top rip, if not we make 2 dove tail cuts about 1,5 cm long in the rib and attach the base there, either with a screw or solder it in there.

this is the least obtrusive way of making bases on a drilling or dbl. rifle.

please inform me how the swing mounts are better than claw mounts and how you get them on there without drilling or soldering ?

when you suggest either eaw swing mounts or claw mounts on one hand and then advice against putting weight on the barrels because it affects the regulation, what do you mean ?

both systems are bigger than the 11mm system and more heavy, so wich is it ?

Why? First of cause it´s plain wrong, second it is a good way to have the solder joints come loose

how do you use a drill ?
i try to live by my byline everyday

best regards

peter

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Husqvarna M98:
Ian- great news, now you are all set to come to Sweden for some driven roe deer hunt, both you and Jo.

You should regard that as an invite. Btw I have brass, Norma, interested?

>>Oh yes please!

With a cracked stock and the optics mount that can be seen it became mine for a song and change.

>>Damn, thats cheap - I've heard you sing!!

Thanks for the invite Chris - we will be sure to take you up on that one day.

Rgds Ian

Ian send me a PM with adress, and I´ll sort it, the brass I mean.

I use cheap Lee 7x57 dies and a Hornady nr 13 shell holder, to reload this round.

Depending on how tight your chamber is, that might work, the lee dies are on the large side according to other reloaders I know.


My singing, well yes, I am one of those that get paid not to sing....

But still it cost me some change too.

Relating to another topic, slugs and Brenneke can according to Rottweil and S&B be shot through full choke, they have felt pads and or deformation zones, however percived recoil will be harder with full choke.

I had my drilling opened to 1/2 in both barrels works great, I can still miss things.

Best regards Chris

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Originally posted by IanF:

Ah well - I ignored the lot of you - went out and bought it anyhow!!

Folks, it is glorious - everything I could want and pretty as a picture. The best part?

It comes complete with an original Hertel & Reuss 2-7x rail scope - with lovely tight claw mounts.

Now I just need to get some 7x57R brass and get loading!

Excellent - sounds a great deal! Remember you are loading for a break open gun so don't be tempted to follow 7x57 data.

At these speeds the 154gr Hornady RN would be an excellent performer inside 150yards if it shoots to the sights. If not the 175gr offering is more likely to regulate better.

How long are your plod taking to process applications

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Peter, I would not want a pissing match with you, I hate losing and it’s bad for me to do so.

Rereading your comment, not mine I found that I have made some assumptions that were just plain wrong.

I blame my self for the fact that you took my comment as you did, and in that spirit, let me be clear about one thing, English is but my third language.

I might not always be able to convey the message properly and correct.

no problem chris

i was a bit of my rocker yesterday, so i might have been thin skinned to say the least.

we only do the 11mm treatment to guns with raised top rib and it is very importent to have the gunsmith check that there is enough metal to work with.

i have seen some interesting scrap metal from both sweden and denmark, where self appointed gunsmiths have created havoc on the gun. some people will never learn. guns are fun to toy around with if you know what you are doing, but it is the easyst way to throw money away if you dont.

where in sweden are you located, im about 75 km south of copenhagen.

best regards

peter

Peter, we both had a bit of a day yesterday, I am still having one due to work.


The concept of milling in a raised rib is sweet, now that I can understand it better.


I currently live in Stockholm, not by choice but by work, two more years and then I am a attorney/advokat and might move, however my father owns a few smaller farms, two outside of Kristianstad and one of Lund. We regularly make the journey across the bridge to get beer/boose and other neccesities of life.


Some time ago I went and had a look see at the webpage you have, you guys live nice and good in the danish country side, you lucky one.

Ohh well that about sums things up, have a good one.

Best regards Chris.