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accurizing a Seven .222?
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I have a little Mod Seven in .222Rem that just won't shoot.

Don't have the dies fr it yet, so part of the problem will be solved once I find a better load for it, but I can't get any better than 2MOA with it.

All I have done so far is float the barrel, though I want to glass bet it and am thinking about having the crown done.

If I'm still not happy, would it be worthwhile reaming to 22PPC?

Would the short barrel mean I won't get all the powder burnt before the bullet leaved the muzzle?
 
Posts: 2286 | Location: Aussie in Italy | Registered: 20 March 2002Reply With Quote
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you might try a bit of pressure about an inch back from the front of the forearm. Before I started doing the high dollar fixes, I'd make sure the screws are all tight, rifle and scope. Try another scope of proven accuracy. Make sure the reciever isn't in a bind. A trusted smith should be able to look at the crown and tell if its okay. If you don't have a trusted smith, you can guarentee he'll tell you it needs it.
The stuff you outlined should be done to enhance accuracy, not generate it. If you can't find a gross reason for the two inch groups, you're looking at a rebarrel job. Before I did that, I'd have a long conversation with Remington.
Good luck.
 
Posts: 2037 | Location: frametown west virginia usa | Registered: 14 October 2001Reply With Quote
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A .222Rem. that shoots 2" groups is unheard of. I'd take it to a gunsmith for a look-see.
The two things that come to mind are scope tightness and the barrel rubbing the stock somewhere. I really don't think there's much else to cause it, unless your ammo is god-awful.
When you get to reloading you might consider IMR4198 and Sierra 52gr. HPBT. This combo works great in both my .222's which incidently group in the .3's and .4's on bad days. I hope you get it solved rapidly. Best wishes.

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Posts: 1866 | Location: Montreal, Canada | Registered: 01 May 2003Reply With Quote
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WHEN YOU GET YOUR DIES....
You might try these tried and true loads, using a 52/53 grain bullet:
Ball C-2...22.5 gr.
4198...19.5 gr.
I could cover a 5 shot group with a dime.
 
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Express, can you shoot the little gun well enough to realize better than 2 moa groups? It's very hard to shoot a 5lb rifle off the pickup hood, leaning over a rolled up jacket.........Are you shooting from a rock-solid bench? Have you lots of sand bags, filled just right? Have you adjusted the trigger to a smooth light pull? (My Remington 700 Classic .17, came with a trigger I could hang a 7lb weight from, and had about 3/16 inch of movement before letoff)? Have you turned your 6.5/20 Leupold down a little, maybe to 10 power, to cut down the apparent shakes and breathing wiggles? On a couple of real light sporters I own, I clamp a heavy plastic jig I made to the forearm, to make it wider, to ride the bags better, and hold steadier........I found some Winchester Supreme Ballistic Silvertip .222 ammo on sale at my local Gander Mtn. that shoots better than any other factory ammo I have tried in my old Sako.........Sometimes reloading isn't the only answer to accuracy.......Most .222s will shoot an inch or less with factory ammo they like. Put a shim back under the barrel in the forearm and shoot some more.......If it's a new rifle, maybe it just needs to be broken in.....Clean the barrel after every few shots.. Shoot three shot groups, cooling the barrel between groups.....And check every screw in the whole rifle for proper tightness......And good luck......I hope you get it shooting well...... Grant.
 
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Yeah Grant,

I have a mechanical rest made up of a front and rear clamp, joined together. The whole thing wieghts about 30 or 40bl and gets quite a few looks at the range. I use it for zeroing, load development etc where I don't want to see any human error.
 
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That is a rare rifle! Not many Model 7s were produced in 222! I happen to own the only one I have ever seen and it is a shooter......19 grains of IMR4198 and a 50 grain sierra blitz works great......How did it shoot before you floated the barrel?
 
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Glass bed the action, float the barrel, fine tune the trigger. Use high quality optics. Work up your loads. I have three 222's (all Rems) and they all shoot best with 50gr bullets loaded to medium velocity. They all shoot under 3/4" easily. As beemanbeme said, upward pressure at the forend might also work. A good rifle in 222 that won't shoot is rare.
 
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Model 7 in 222, nice... First I would look into bedding the action,the suggestions thus far have been glass,I used steel bed on my 260. If it has one of those fantasic plastic stocks that Remington uses,you have to get to a Zero action movement point.If the gun is in wood you are better off.The synthetic stocks on the 7's are real pressure sensative, you can move bullets all over thru hand pressure and cheek pressure while shooting off a bench.
I can see the possiblity of having a pressure point under the barrel as one of the previous post's points out.Some barrels just need a push in the right direction.
Nice rifle,I hope one of the ideas here helps and it starts shooting for you..
 
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I have an old Rem. 600 222 that wouldn't group. 2inches was a tight group before having it rebarreled. A new barrel, McMillan stock, and action truing cured it's problems.
22PPC would be and option, but the bolt face would have to be opened up. If I were going to do that I would go with a custom barrel, and make real tackdriver out of it.
As for loads I have good results with 22grs. VVN133 powder and 53gr Sierra Match bullets or 50gr Nosler BT's.

Rem. 222
 
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Remington advertises their rifles as being one of the most accurate out of the box factory rifles made. By the sound of these posts that is far from true. The number of stock Remington factory rifles that shoot exceptional groups out of the box is insignificant when the numbers sold is known. I would bet less one half percent of the total number of Remington rifles sold produce exceptional groups. Stock factory rifle means just that, no rework what ever done to enhance the stock factory rifles grouping ability. If you were to offer me a free Remington or a Savage varmint rifle, I would take the Savage rifle and run before you changed your mind.
 
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reloader, define exceptional accuracy in a factory rifle?
 
Posts: 2037 | Location: frametown west virginia usa | Registered: 14 October 2001Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by EXPRESS:
I have a little Mod Seven in .222Rem that just won't shoot.

Don't have the dies fr it yet, so part of the problem will be solved once I find a better load for it, but I can't get any better than 2MOA with it.

All I have done so far is float the barrel, though I want to glass bet it and am thinking about having the crown done.

If I'm still not happy, would it be worthwhile reaming to 22PPC?

Would the short barrel mean I won't get all the powder burnt before the bullet leaved the muzzle?

Did you get the rifle new? Tom
 
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Good accuracy with a factory rifle is MOA out of the box with no rework done at all
One of my shooting friends has a stock Remington model 7 in 7mm-08 that will not group well even with handloads. We took the rifle to my gunsmith for a good check up. His reply the next day was the crown is faulty, the chamber is not cut properly along with improper headspace, The bolt locking lugs do not make proper contact in the action, and the action face is not square, the bore is sub standard and should be replaced. I will do what ever you want done, or you can get a second opinion, that's fine with me. That is just one stock factory rifle from Remington with all those flaws that need attention.
 
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Wow, one rifle and you're an authority on Remingtons. I have about 25 of the things and I try to avoid making blanket statements about them. Of the ones I have, none will shoot ourside of 1.25" but each one took differing attention to shoot. Some none, some more. None have been sent off to be "blueprinted" (I'm not really sure what that means). At most, the trigger has been tuned and the action bedded with the pressure point either added to or relieved. Right now I have a classic in 300savage that, right out of the box except for having the trigger tuned, shoots less than an inch. This is with remington brass, stnadard primers and 150gr rem bulk bullets. And that's only one.
Tell me, based on one rifle, where did you come up with those weird assed numbers and precentages you were quoting? You must be a democrat.
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So you say you have 25 Remington rifles and that makes you the resident expert on Remington rifles. Glad to hear from this point forward if a Remington rifle won't shoot your the guy to talk to.

I will keep that fact in mind and I know you will come up with the answer to the problem. The facts are evident that Remington Arms factory rifle quality has declined dramaticaly in the past ten years. Having owned two model 700 Remingon rifles up to now, and neither were tack drivers. So mister Remington rifle expert you tell me how I am wrong in my thinking. I am an open minded 61 year old senior citizen paper puncher with one Remington rifle ready to learn from the master, speak to me great one on the Remington rifle.
 
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I think you ought to sell me that POS so I can screw this new Lilja barrel I have, on it!

That should be a nice little totin' rifle, just the berries for calling and such.

I won't belabour all the advice you have already gotten...some of it good and some, so much hot air. If the bore is bad, it's bad, nothing going to cure that but a new barrel. I doubt that is the problem though.
 
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