Shilen is working with MidwayUSA to stock prefit Savage barrels.

This will greatly shorten the time needed to get Shilen barrels.

Hammer

Gee that might actually get me to buy a savage....

AllanD

quote:

Originally posted by Allan DeGroot:
Gee that might actually get me to buy a savage....AllanD

Now don't overlook the Stevens 200, Allan. You might get a charge out of reworking the trigger. I know I did on three of the four I bought. The fourth is next weeks project. roger

Yeah, I know about the stevens 200.
they retail around here for $260-ish.


I've passed up several savages for <$200
and a couple for ~$160...


AllanD

Roger

How are those ER Shaw barrels shooting??


cheers
seafire

quote:

Originally posted by seafire/B17G:
Roger

How are those ER Shaw barrels shooting??


cheers
seafire

Don't know yet. Having to much fun with the barrels they came with. Too many irons in the fire. I think that's an old cowboy expression? roger

Seafire,

This last Spring I ordered a E.R. Shaw pre-fit
for a Savage, in SS, magnum contour, chambered
for 6mm Rem. It passed my inspection, and I was
even a bit impressed with the finish work.
Once installed, I went to work with load
development with 65 gr. VMax bullets, with
some 65 gr. Bergers right behind them, as soon
as I got the barrel broken in. I have not
gotten nearly enough time for load development,
but I did go through my usual terse barrel
break-in shooting, and got the first round
of development groups down the tube. Even
in these first groups, nothing went over 1 MOA,
and the best group was at .4 MOA. This was
the first bullet/powder combination that I
tried. I am sure that there are tighter
groups in this barrel's future, once I
get this load dialed in, and get on to the
Berger bullets. On a side note, the barrel
cleans up easily.

So from this early experience of one, I would
definitely buy another, in a varmint hunting
chambering, if they have the chambering that
I am looking for. For a competative shooting
rifle, I would probably look at PacNor, Shilen,
etc, but for small varmint accuracy this E.R.
Shaw barrel exceeded my expectations.


Squeeze

Allen DeGroot: NOT ME!
Putting a Shilen barrel on a savage is like walking your daughter down the aisle at her wedding to a common street PIMP!
Blasphemy!
LOL!
Naw... I hope that the Midway thing with the Shilen barrels makes many a savage Rifle owner happy!
Maybe there should be a new REALITY show called "Pimp my savage"?
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

quote:

Originally posted by VarmintGuy:
Allen DeGroot: NOT ME!
Putting a Shilen barrel on a savage is like walking your daughter down the aisle at her wedding to a common street PIMP!
Blasphemy!
LOL!
Naw... I hope that the Midway thing with the Shilen barrels makes many a savage Rifle owner happy!
Maybe there should be a new REALITY show called "Pimp my savage"?
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Golly! You guys make me feel so inferior. roger

Bartsche,
Some people like to drive cadillacs when all they need to do their around town stuff is a basic Chevy or Ford. Its an ego thing. If the job can't definitely make use of a Panda, Farley, etc., action, then why use it? Of course, I've got two Savages that shoot in the low .4s and often enough better. These take care of prairie dogs out to 300 yds. Each has at least one extra barrel (none are Savage barrels), and barrels include ER Shaw, Douglas, Shilen, etc.

Now my 1,000yd gun is an ex-benchrest piece rechambered. At this distance, I need all the help I can get!

My brother and I put an Addams and Bennet .243 bull barrel on a 1938 Type Turkish Mauser in 2000.

We trued the action, bent the bolt, drilled and tapped, glass bedded, lapped the lugs, lapped the bolt face, centered the muzzle and breech in the lathe with a spider, cut the threads shinny like a mirror, and chambered with a garden variety .243 reamer.

That rifle will shoot one fouling shot, one sub moa ground, then large groups, then an hour of Copper foul fighting, then one fouling shot, then a sub moa group, etc.

The bore shows button chattering marks every 1/8" in the groove and on the lands.

Midway sold the barrel for $50 in 2000 and I then put $1,000 effort into the project only to wind up with nothing.

I now believe that someone getting a great group with a brand of barrel means little.

Someone getting great groups with a hot barrel and 50 rounds of no cleaning means allot. That means their chamber is concentric, the ammo is concentric, the barrel is not warped, and the bore is not fouled.

To get a good barrel for sure, I pay for a factory hand lapped and factory heat stress relieved barrel.

I have a Factory Ruger barrel that will average 1 moa all day, with a hot barrel. I got lucky, with that barrel that Ruger paid $20 for.

To make sure I am not wasting my time, I will not buy any more Shilen Chrome Moly barrels unless special ordered from the factory with hand lapping.

My "A" barrels;
Shilen stainless steel [they are all lapped]
Lothar Walther
Hart
Lilja
Krieger

My "B+" barrels;
Douglas XX

My "B" barrels;
Remington
Winchester
Military that never saw corrosive ammo
Ruger
Green mountain
Shilen [Chrome moly without hand lapping option]
Parker Hale

The C's
Addams and Bennet [the good ones]
Military barrels that saw a little corrosive ammo

The D's:
Addams and Bennet [the bad ones]
Military barrels that saw lots of corrosive ammo

The F's:
Addams and Bennet [the really bad ones]
Military barrels that look like sewer pipes


It is my understanding that the Addams and Bennet barrels sold by Midway in 1999 and 2000 were Shaw rejects, and the the much better barrels they sell now are Green Mountain.


What does it all mean?
Practice on the B's but spend your time on the A's.
Your time and enthusiasm are worth more than a cheap barrel.

At the range yesterday got great performance with two unworthy Stevens Mod 200s whose triggers that were reworked, the .223 and the .270. 100yds!!!!!

.223: 22gr. 8208 ( really too mild)

55gr Varmint Nitemare ( Mid South) 9 shot 1 1/4 grp.

75 gr. BTHP Hornady1 1/4" 8 shot grp.

64gr PP Win. 8 shot 1" group.

55gr. TNT,Speer, 8 shot 1 1/2"

69 gr. HPBT, Nosler Custom Copetition, 4 shot .4" group, 8 shot .75" group.

.270, 56.1 gr. data 86

130gr.sp bulk, 3 shot .7" group, 6 shot 1" group.

150gr psp bulk, crimped, 3 shot 2" group, Doesn't seem to like 150gr. bullets so far.

52gr. acc.4350, 130 gr. Sierra, 6 shots completely cut out the center1/2" bull, 8 shot .75" group.

130gr Partisan factory ammo, 3 shot 1/2" grp. Thanmy New 6 to 24 Barska lost it's focus and The rifle and I were shooting at a blurr but still shot a 5 shot 1 1/2" group.

The .223 has had about 90 rounds thru it and the .270 about 80. Once they are shot in they probably will start to perform. Till then I guess I'll just have to suffer from this HO-HUM repeatability. roger

Brownell's has prefit Shilen Savage barrels in stock NOW.

quote:

Originally posted by VarmintGuy:
Allen DeGroot: NOT ME!
Putting a Shilen barrel on a savage is like walking your daughter down the aisle at her wedding to a common street PIMP!
Blasphemy!
LOL!
Naw... I hope that the Midway thing with the Shilen barrels makes many a savage Rifle owner happy!
Maybe there should be a new REALITY show called "Pimp my savage"?
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Yure a damned heathen.

Here's how I pimped my Savages...

Swamp_Fox

Tell us a little more about those Savages.

The .243 winchester, top picture, started life as a walmart pkg. gun that went out the door for less than $400 with a scope and rings.

The scope, rings and stock were replaced before I ever fired a round.

I used the stock from the bottom rifle, a Pac Nor varmint taperd barrel with target chamber and 11 deg. crown, TPS one piece picatinny rail glued to the action, TPS rings, Leupold III 4.5-14 Tactical scope, tactical bolt handle, precision recoil lug, and bedded with Brownells Steel Bed.
The headspaceing is minimal. ie, full lenght resizing bumps the shoulder .002.
The accutrigger spring lost one coil and sear surfaces were lightly polished with 1000 grit and oil.

The bottom rifle started as a 12BVSS in 300WSM.
Pretty much the same as the .243 except the picatinny rail is a 20moa from Near Mfg.(they were the only source for a stainless base.)
Did not alter the accutrigger spring.
The scope is a Sightron II 6-24 target dot.
The stock is a SSS Super Var-Tac. Adjustable with rail.
SSS Tac-Pod.

I don't have a picture of the types of groups I get from these rifles but here are two 3 shot groups to test POI shift with different sandbag media. 100 yds from prone position.

quote:

Originally posted by squeeze:
Seafire,

This last Spring I ordered a E.R. Shaw pre-fit
for a Savage, in SS, magnum contour, chambered
for 6mm Rem. It passed my inspection, and I was
even a bit impressed with the finish work.
Once installed, I went to work with load
development with 65 gr. VMax bullets, with
some 65 gr. Bergers right behind them, as soon
as I got the barrel broken in. I have not
gotten nearly enough time for load development,
but I did go through my usual terse barrel
break-in shooting, and got the first round
of development groups down the tube. Even
in these first groups, nothing went over 1 MOA,
and the best group was at .4 MOA. This was
the first bullet/powder combination that I
tried. I am sure that there are tighter
groups in this barrel's future, once I
get this load dialed in, and get on to the
Berger bullets. On a side note, the barrel
cleans up easily.

So from this early experience of one, I would
definitely buy another, in a varmint hunting
chambering, if they have the chambering that
I am looking for. For a competative shooting
rifle, I would probably look at PacNor, Shilen,
etc, but for small varmint accuracy this E.R.
Shaw barrel exceeded my expectations.


Squeeze

Squeeze,

thanks for the real world experiences sharing...

If the 223 works out, a 6mm Rem Barrel is definitely in the future for my Savage 116... my only downfall is Shaw doesn't offer a one in 8 twist and I will be shooting 75 to 115 grain bullets thru it...will probably do a Pac Nor or try one of the other majors...

Seafire,

I did make a Freudian Slip, in this post

I meant to say for competative rifles I would
look at PacNor, Krieger, etc...I am not sure
why I typed Shilen

As for the twist rate, I was a little hung
up on a 1 in 8 twist, too. But I thought
as an experiment, I would try the E.R. Shaw
barrel, and go with the 1 in 10 twist, and
use it in a small varmint long range capacity.
I will probably get these 65 gr. bullets shooting well, and then get started on something
in the 90-100 grain range(VLD) for a long range
windy solution. I will post the results,
when I get to that point which will probably
be early next year, when my schedule typically
slows down some. Let me know how that PacNor
works out. That is probably my next barrel
manufacturer to experiment with.

Squeeze

Squeeze,

I have a Pac Nor heavy magnum barrel on a Rem 700 ADL long action, chambered in 6mm Rem, with a one in 8 twist and has a Boyd's factory laminate stock on it...

The action has given me fits, it is just a lemon from the factory...however the Pac Nor Barrel is great.. I shoot from 75 grain HP Hornadys with it to 115 grain Berger VLDs....

The 75 HPs are one hole shooters at 100 yds with H414, and a MV of about 3675 to 3750 fps..

The 115 grain Bergers do close to the same with an MV of 3250 with 46 grains of RL 19....

The smallest group I have ever shot was with this barrel, and if you take away the bullet diameter of .243, then it has shot a .0505 group at 100 yds.

the one in 8 twist is really worth it if you shoot bullets over the 100 grainers, particularly the match bullets... 105 and 115 Bergers, and 107 Sierras, Plus the 105 A Max..the latter is the least accurate bullet in this rifle...

Anyone know what "grade" barrels these Shilen's are?
Cheers...
Con

Guys the only difference between the Shilen "Select Match" and the standard Shilen barrels is they air gauge the all the barrels and the best are chosen to be called "Select Match" .

Waffen,

The difference between Select-Match and regular Shilen barrels is interesting.

Had been told the difference was thirty more minutes of handlapping.

But don't know.


Hammer

I was told what I posted earlier while touring their factory.

I will say i've never heard of a bad shooting Shilen.

quote:

Originally posted by Waffen:
I was told what I posted earlier while touring their factory.

I will say i've never heard of a bad shooting Shilen.

I have two CM Shilen 45acp 28" bull barrels that spray their groups.
The bores are rough inside.

I've three Shilen barrels, the throats washed out on two of them really quick, I don't buy any more Shilens.