Hello,
To all of us, which rifle do you prefer (for precision shooting):
Remington 700 Sendero, Savage 110 FP tactical or Remington 710 or the Steyr Scout ?

In France, prices are the following :

Remington 700 Sendero : approx. 1400 $
Remington 710 : approx 750 $
Savage 110 FP tactical : approx 750 $
Steyr Scout : approx. 1600 $

Thank you in advance,
Bye

Good Kill, I had great difficulty reading your web site, slow going for me. It would appear though that you've got some long-range shooting experience eh?

For what it's worth here's my input re your question: My Rem 700 Sendero in 7mm Rem magnum is a superbly accurate long-range hunting rifle. I also have a varmint model Rem 700 in .308 Winchester which is very accurate. They are my top choices for a reasonably priced production rifle. I've owned Remington 700's since 1974, used them in the Marines, the target range and the hunting fields, they are my favorite rifle when accuracy is paramount.

All that being said, I've been very impressed with the accuracy of the Savage bolt action rifles. Nice guns, particularly when one considers the price. I have not shot the little Styer Scout, it seems more like an "all around" rifle than a precision rifle. Would sure like to spend some time afield with one though! Regards, Guy

Thanks for your answer,

I know the Remington 700 and i like it, but as you see before, this rifle is quite expensive in France. I was wondering, what would be the difference between a Remington 700 and a Savage 110 Fp tactical, when accuracy matters ? I have heard that savage Rifles have to be customised (bedding, sharpshooter trigger, other stock, for exemple McMillan or Choate). In fact, in france, a savage 110 "customised" (bedding, trigger etc) is at the same price that a remington 700 "factory" ... So what is the best choice in your opinion ?
Thanks,

Savage are accurate rifles even if they are not pretty . The Savage rifles as the tactical/target/varmint ( heavy barrel with target stock ) are good rifles out of the box

just change the recoil lug with light blueprint of the receiver ( check and set headspace ), trigger change and bedding is enought to shoot better group and not really far from entry price in custom rifles .

difficult to understand why in France you pay 750 USD for this type of job !!!

Forget Rem 710 just a hunting rifle and the steyr scout , scout rifle are not design to shoot far .

for 100/600 yards a 308 can do the job and for 1K 300 Win mag can shoot nice group .

Good shooting

DAN TEC

HEllo

Thanks for your answer,

In the price i included the price of a McMillan stock, it's the reason why i said that the customised Savage is at the same price that the remington ...

So, in your opinion, the Savage rifle is the best choice ?

Thanks, bye

yes for a complete rifle , with a Savage you can get accurate package for less as a REM 700 SENDERO out of the box .

a SAVAGE tactical laminated with a minimum receiver blue print a good recoil lug ( sharp shooter or Holland ) a headspace check to minimun tolerance and bedding ( original laminated is not too bad shape for prone shooting and very strong )and a Timney trigger to get 4 pounds trigger pull cristal break .

A set of 20 MOA base from Night Force and you have enought are ready for long range shooting except the scope.

I have a MacMillan A3 on my Savage .

good Shooting

DAN TEC

The last group I fired at 600 yards was an honest 1.75" three shot group with my Savage 10FP Tactical in .308 Winchester. (Load was Winchester brass, Sierra 168 grain Matchking, 43.6 grains of IMR 4895, with Federal 210GM match primers, OAL of 2.865"...)

I did my own trigger job, and it came out very nice. Crisp letoff at 2 pounds. If you want a lighter trigger, you'll have to go with an aftermarket one. But the 2 pound trigger should be adequate.

I didn't replace the stock, I just poured Brownell's Acraglas into the forearm channel to firm it up. I also counterbalanced the rifle with a big wad of plumber's putty laden with BB's, pressed into the hollow of the butt.

I have Burris Signature mounts on it, and a Weaver Grand Slam 6.5 to 20 power scope. This rifle routinely shoots 1/2 MOA out to 600 yards, and I can normally (if I call the wind right) hit my 10" gong at 800 yards. I've not shot at 1000 yards as of yet. While some folks have turned in some phenominal groups at 1K with the .308, that distance is really beginning to press the limitations of that cartridge.

I've got less than 750 dollars in the whole rig, scope included. And it will honestly shoot with the best tactical rifles out there. 100 yard groups of five shots go easily under 1/2", and I can usually put three shots into 3/8" with no trouble.

The Savages are super-accurate rifles. I have seen some very tight shooting Remingtons as well, so I don't intend to steer you either way here. Good luck in your decision...

Dan Newberry
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I'm for the Savage.

Good Price and Good accuracy.

It is not unusual for my 10FP in .223 to shoot below 1/4in @ 100. I have a load that hasn't been conistently tested but appears that it will give groups in the .1's

The stock is bedded and firmed as well as weighted a bit, and the crown touched up.

The scope is a Cheap Tasco MagIV 4-16x that I goes for under $90 now.

As far as shooting, the Savage. There are some rifles showing up in the trade that have one less adjustment screw, which makes the trigger job a little more involved. However, even though I'm a convicted hack, and I have two Savage triggers that break clean and crisp at under 3 lbs --- light enough for field work.

As far as stocks, the laminate is the way to go, IMHO. HTH, Dutch.

It depends on what you want. If going cheap is important, go Savage, and skip the McMillian. The factory laminate stock on the Savages are good. Their synthetics are less so.
Remington guns have fully adjustable triggers which can often be adjusted to be everything you would want. Not the Savages.
Remington rifles have superior extractors, and much smoother barrels. That means they foul less.
The Remington synthetic stocked varmit guns use the H-S bedding system on their stocks. It works as well as anything anybody ever made. The only reason to switch to a McMillian would be for stock dimensions and styles. I do prefer the shape of the McM HTG stock, but I haven't replaced the H-S on my rifle yet. It works great as is.
All the competition tactical shooters I know use the Remington Varmit Synthetic guns, especially the VSFS. E

Is the Remington extractor superior to the Savage? Doesn't the Savage have a Sako Type extractor?

I don't know, just asking.

Out of the box with no plans of major modifications the Savage is the way to go. If you plan major modifications and want to spend the money, the Remington is the way to go. But then all you really need is an action and a fat wallet. For these types of modifications a 700 ADL will do just as good as anything else.

Good luck.

Up until a couple of years ago, when I last really looked at a Savage bolt, they were using the hook style extractor. Remington uses a clip, as it's called.
Long expereience has shown the clip to be very strong. The best authority I can site is Frank DeHaas's book, Bolt Action Rifles. He, and others I know, have had the Rem. clip literally tear off portions of a case head. The Sako style hook, when really forced, slips off the case head with little, or no damage, to the case head.
The orginal Mauser, which didn't have a cut out to allow one to feed a round directly into the chamber, was known to tear off case heads too. The modern ones don't. They tend to slip off the stuck case by moving side ways as well.
The Sako style apparently grabs the case more readily than the Remington design, if that's important to you.
The hook also can accumulate debris under it,or in it, thus not allowing it to fully function.
If not installed right, the Remington's can "misfunction". They can break, but this is pretty rare. Hence my opinion they are superior. E

Target shooters here using Remington actions routinely replace the Rem extractor with a Sako extractor, because the Rem breaks too easily and too often in competition.

I've got a Savage 10FP in .223 --- not pretty by any stretch of the imagination, and maybe not as good as a Remington 700 action (NOTE: NOT the 710 action -- it's crap) ---- BUT, it still shoots better than I can!

Can't ask for more, really.

WEll, I think i will let the pics speak.....



Here is a couple of groups where i am fireforming brass.....

mssmagnum

Yeah, I'll agree they're not bad groups --- but you missed the coin both times!! Now, with a Savage, you would've got those little silver suckers plumb centre.

Nah, seriously, even the Savage would've missed:


(One of the very first handloads I put together for the rifle.)

And an el-cheapo factory round:


These were out of the box, with a Tasco 6-24x40 scope.

Bruce

Bruce,

I, ah, er, um, ah, hate to admit it but my Sendero is wearin a Trashco Varmint/Tactical 2.5x-10x as i had not a single GOOD scope for this gun when i got it. I am searching for a "used" Leupold 8.5x-25x LRT for this rifle. Hope to find one soon!!

The thing that impresses me most about the way this rifle shoots is it is doing it despite the recoil!! LOL!