Got a new .17 HMR and would like to know if anyone has killed yotes with em. If you have I would like to know what loads you use and how fast it killed em.

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I have killed two Coyotes with my 17 HMR Rifle so far! One was head shot at 100 yards and was an instant kill. The other was lung shot at 100 yards and spun for a bit in place before going down. There are better Coyote killing cartridges out there for sure but this cartridge WILL kill Coyotes for at closer ranges with careful shot placement.
I use the Remington "ballistic tip" type ammo in my Ruger 77/17V for all the Varmints I Hunt now a days.
Its a long story how I came to need to use the 17 HMR on these Coyotes but it has to do with a limited Coyote season in the area I was Hunting Deer in. I choose to keep the area I Hunt the Deer a secret so won't go into much detail there. But the only time anyone can Hunt Coyotes in this area is during the fall Big Game Seasons (Antelope, Deer and Elk seasons) and it is literally OVER RUN with Coyotes! I get a couple miles from my best Deer spots and mow down (quietly) the Coyotes after I call them in! The Coyotes are "call stupid" in this area and the quiet 17 HMR does not spook the Deer in my nearby Deer Hunting haunts! I have also used my 17 Mach IV in this area in the past (before the 17 HMR was invented) and its a blasy using the quiet Rifles in this area on the legions of Coyotes!
I have also killed large Badger, Porcupines, Rock Chucks along with Jack Rabbits, Skunks, feral cats, Prairie Dogs, Ground Squirrels, Snowsoe Hares, Cottontailed Rabbits and several other species of Varmints with the 17 HMR. I have also killed several Wild Turkeys with the 17 HMR!
I love this quiet, flat shooting little rimfire and very often am impressed with its lethality on Varmints. I have not gotten a Fox with the 17 HMR as yet only due to the fact the Fox in my area were all killed off a couple years ago now by a mange infestation.
Good luck if you decide to try the 17 HMR on Coyotes! I would stay away from shoulder shots and go for the heart/lungs or head shots.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

The general consences is that the hmr is not enough gun just like the 22 mag is not really enough. I love my hmr but the biggest I would use it for is fox (not may whee I live though) and there would be plenty of guys who would contest even that.

I have see Coyotes take more than 1 from a 223 where the first was a good hit they are tough animals.

One rule of thumb is 400 ft/lbs at contact, the hmr does not come close to that.

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Originally posted by aulrich:
The general consences is that the hmr is not enough gun just like the 22 mag is not really enough. I love my hmr but the biggest I would use it for is fox (not may whee I live though) and there would be plenty of guys who would contest even that.

I have see Coyotes take more than 1 from a 223 where the first was a good hit they are tough animals.

One rule of thumb is 400 ft/lbs at contact, the hmr does not come close to that.

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I know for a fact that a 17HMR, 22MAG and 22LR will kill a coyote out to 100 yards.

I have NEVER heard of the 400 ft/lbs rule. A coyote is far smaller than a human, and a 38 spl. will kill a human with alot less than 400 ft/lbs.

Shot placement maybe? Luck? Skill?

.17hmr for yotes?
Get a bigger gun, .17 K hornet minimum
.17 mach IV or .17 Remington range cartridges with woodchuck den 30gr golds are ideal for coyotes, 17gr bullet is too light.

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Originally posted by 17rem:
.17hmr for yotes?
Get a bigger gun, .17 K hornet minimum
.17 mach IV or .17 Remington range cartridges with woodchuck den 30gr golds are ideal for coyotes, 17gr bullet is too light.

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I don't even OWN a 17 caliber rifle (except for my PELLET GUN). By the way, there are bullets larger than 17 grains available for the 17HMR.
25 or 30 grains, maybe even larger?

I have a bigger gun(s). I shoot varmints with a 6mm Rem and a 223, not a 17HMR or any other 17 cal. I said I KNOW FOR A FACT these calibers will kill coyotes. And THEY WILL.

Is it shot placement maybe? Luck? Skill?

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I know for a fact that a 17HMR, 22MAG and 22LR will kill a coyote out to 100 yards.

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I don't dispute that, I heard plenty of those stories too. With my hmr, I could on a good day put one in it's ear out to about 150 further if I had a laser but one puff of wind and I shoot off it's nose. In a nutshell you can put a screw in with a hammer but there are better tools for the job.

The 400 foot/lbs is derived from the deer rule of thumb of 1000 ft/lbs of striking energy for small deer. 100 lb deer 40 lb coyote.

There are 20 grain loads for the hmr wich are not as explosive. I shot a 20 xtp into wet phone books at 20 yard and it formed a nice little mushroom it penetrated about 4"-5", but I still would not use it on a coyote, a fox yes but no bigger.

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I know for a fact that a 17HMR, 22MAG and 22LR will kill a coyote out to 100 yards.

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I don't dispute that, I heard plenty of those stories too. With my hmr, I could on a good day put one in it's ear out to about 150 further if I had a laser but one puff of wind and I shoot off it's nose. In a nutshell you can put a screw in with a hammer but there are better tools for the job.

The 400 foot/lbs is derived from the deer rule of thumb of 1000 ft/lbs of striking energy for small deer. 100 lb deer 40 lb coyote.

There are 20 grain loads for the hmr wich are not as explosive. I shot a 20 xtp into wet phone books at 20 yard and it formed a nice little mushroom it penetrated about 4"-5", but I still would not use it on a coyote, a fox yes but no bigger.

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Blacktails around here can weigh over 200 lbs pretty easily, mulies even bigger. I shot a 5X4 blacktail a couple of years ago that field-dressed over 200. I don't know where you are from, but 100 lbs. is small for the average deer here.

I did not say you should run out and buy a 17HMR to kill coyotes, however IF the person behind the trigger has the skill and the wind is right it CAN be done, handily out to 100 yards.

As for 400 lbs. to kill a coyote, this seems like one of those to often generalized "rules of thumb." 1000 lbs. for a deer seems good until you figure an average adult human weighs well over 100 lbs. (more likely 150) and can be killed by a well-placed 38spl. which has FAR LESS than 1000 ft./lbs. of energy. Much closer to 350ft./lbs. (+P loads) than 1000.

Standard 40SW & 45ACP loads both have 400ft./lbs. or less energy at the muzzle and they are the weapon of choice for most law enforcement & military. Do you really feel a 40 pound coyote is harder to kill with one shot than a 200 pound man?

Hmmmmm? I think the coyote # is a bit much. More like 200.

Is it shot placement maybe? Luck? Skill?

I think 200 ft/lbs maybe pretty close. Here is a link to 22 hornet info. The hornet is defenetly on the low end but it still easily sufficient. At 200 yards it still has 200 ft/lbs. But that's alittle fauther than I would go with a hornet.

winchester 22 hornet data

Pound for pound yes I think animals are tougher. The pistol rounds are a bad comparison because of the bore size. Just like how the bigbores 45/70 and such, in thier range kill just as good as high speed magnums there are other factors in play beside pure energy.

That and there is a difference between stopping a guy and killing him out right.

One thing, I don't think that kill energy requirements are liniar or else that elk I got last year would have needed something bigger than my 338 win mag

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Originally posted by aulrich:
Pound for pound yes I think animals are tougher. The pistol rounds are a bad comparison because of the bore size. Just like how the bigbores 45/70 and such, in thier range kill just as good as high speed magnums there are other factors in play beside pure energy.

That and there is a difference between stopping a guy and killing him out right.

One thing, I don't think that kill energy requirements are liniar or else that elk I got last year would have needed something bigger than my 338 win mag

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No doubt, animals are tougher than humans and they have an UNBELIEVABLE WILL TO LIVE.

I agree, the limits for stopping power are not linear or there would not be enough energy in ANY gun to kill a rhino or elephant.

If I am going to "stop" a man, there is going to be only ONE shot and ONE story, if you know what I mean.

Read about the 17 Remington:
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Read about the 17 Remington:
Here

Read some interesting stuff on the .17 Rem.
Might have to get me one and TRY it...

Still don't want a 17HMR, but the .17 Rem. sounds fun, usable AND reloadable.

There's an interesting article on the 17HMR in the 2005 Gun Digest.

After looking at the ballistics of the .204 RUGER, the number and BC of the bullets available, I would probably go with it over the 17 Rem for now. It has over 400 ft/lbs at 500 yards, and less wind deflection (not "drift") than ANY 17.

I will read the article, but for now my 17 Rem will probably have to wait...

id kill a yote with a rock if I had too.