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First off I am by no means wanting to start a "pissin" match over which is better. I just have some general observations on the two rounds. I have hunted coyotes for years with a bolt action 22-250 and always loved it before I used the 22-250 I used a 223 and was less than impressed with its stopping ability. But the "new" 204 R. came out and I started hearing lots of people very happy with it so I decided to build one. The first thing that attracted me to it was that it could be built on a AR15 platform which gives excellent accuracy and superior follow up shots. While delivering better chances when several coyote come in at once. Now that I've started putting the AR in 204 through its paces I will have to say that the ballistics are great it is a very flat shooting round and the accuracy is outstanding, that is on paper. On coyotes I have noticed that it takes better shot placement to stop the dogs in their tracks, just like with the 223 more coyotes that we've called in required more than one shot to kill outright VS the 22-250 which rarly requires more than one. Again these are just some personal observations, but I would be interested in hearing everyone elses actual experiences that have trigger time behind both rounds. | ||
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shooting PD's with both I see the 22/250 or the like throws them around alot more than does the 204. The 204 reaches right out there alongside, but is hitting with a bullet about 1/2 the weight, so i wouldn't expect it to have the same force as the larger rounds. 22/250 is a great round so is the 204 so are alot of others, great but different.I enjoy shooting them all | |||
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I have a Ruger .204 and it shoots flatter and faster than any small caliber round I have ever had. The only complaint I have is it is great for 150 to 300 yard shots, but with really close shots of 50 to 80 yards the bullet will go right through the varmit and not knock it down and then it runs off. It seems anything I shoot at the longer distance drops and does not run off. All my shots have been with the .32 grain Hornady V-max and now I have been trying the .39 grain Sierra trying to slow it down and using a heavier bullet. | |||
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I have two observations to make which are especially pertinent to high round count days on varmints. Firstly the actual muzzle blast from the 204 is significantly lower than any of the 22's even .223! A lot of shooting with excessive muzzle blast and noise will fatigue a shooter. Secondly the recoil of the 204 is almost negligble and allows one to spot your own hits much better than a 22/250. APB | |||
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Bearcat, If you have to pick one gun, action type does not matter, which one gun and caliber will you pick? Something feasible that is, i.e. not a 220 swift built on a BAR. Thanks in advance. | |||
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I have both calibers and here is my take. The 204 is a really nice ctg but better for Pdogs and fox. The 32 grainers expand like crazy. For yotes, the 22/250 is a much better choice. Not to say the 204 will not work, the 22/250 just provides a projectile with greter frontal mass and weight for penetration. Yotes are a tough animal for their size. Free men should not be subjected to permits, paperwork and taxation in order to carry any firearm. NRA Benefactor | |||
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I don't have a .204 Ruger since I already have a .223, 22-250, .243win, and .243wssm. I can vouch for the 22-250 having better downrange effect than the .223, with the 6mm's even better. | |||
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If you run 39 to 40 grainers the 204 will hang in there quite well with the 250 in the energy department as you stretch out the range ; so for my money these days , if I think I need more juice I would skip right over the 250 and go to a 6mm or a big case 22 like a 22/6mm with a fast twist . | |||
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Hardballer, good question I think if I had to pick one varmint rifle (which I wouldn't be very happy about having only one)But if I did it would be my Rem 700 VS in 22-250. sdgunslinger, I shoot 40g bergers in my 204 and 50g speer MHPs in my 250, and from my field experience not paper balistics or computer programs the 204 doesn't hold a candle to the energy the 250 will deliver on the target. I am more inclined to agree with 30378 on this one. The 250 has barrel heating issues and recoil issues on a 500 rd day of prarie dogs where the 204 would shine over the 223 because of how flat it shoots. All these cart. have there +'s it just depends on what your using them for. For my use 99% of my preditor hunting is coyotes so I will stick with my 22-250. Great responses so far guys, I appreciate the opinions. | |||
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My brother and I shoot coyotes side by side every other weekend. My 204 dose well but the energy and knock down of his 220 Swift is notiably greater. The 220 and 22-250 are very similure. I am still working out if I like the 32 grain Blitz Kings or the 35 grain Bergers on coyotes. If I go out and want more Juice as sdgunslinger puts it I take my 25-06 with 100 grain Sierra Match Kings. Dead yotes no mater the range! | |||
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It all comes back to what and where you're shooting. My wife owns 2 204s, and loves them. So much so, that she sold her custom 6/250. I don't own a 204, but I can see one happening sooner or later. On the other hand, I've got a couple of 223s, and 6mms. I found that my 6*47 (222 RM based) was being used for most of the things I used to use a 22/250 for, so I sold the 22/250. | |||
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Can't the AR15 platform be chambered for 22-250 Rem? Best of both worlds, right? | |||
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In a lot of cases the wrong type of bullets are used. The V-max's and especially the blitz kings in the 204 were designed for the smaller critters and are much to frangible for bigger stuff like yotes. The 35 and 40 gr bergers and the new Hornady 45 gr softpoint are ideal and more designed for yotes. I believe as time goes on we will see a bigger and better selection for the 204. Savage Vaporizer | |||
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The AR-15 can be chambered in .223WSSM, it is superior to the 220 Swift, or 22-250! | |||
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OH REALLY?  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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Althought eh 22-250 is a great round, I could never get real warm and fuzzy about it. My go-to 22 caliber centerfire is still the 223. I like the lack of muzzle blast and lighter recoil, and i don't shoot much beyond 300 yards. However, I am looking at the Ruger 1A in 204. Lou **************** NRA Life Benefactor Member | |||
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Thanks Bearcat, Reason why I asked and should have clarified, is I still lug around a 12 Ga. and my 220 for most stands. Thinking of going to a 204 AR with a muzzle break. Will provide me with fast follow ups, targets will always be in scope, and long range capabilities. | |||
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Bearcat: You should not fear "urine"! A good pissing match can be both informative AND entertaining! I have used the 204 Ruger on Coyotes for going on three years now, and have as yet to wish it were anything but what it is - and thats a LOT! I have used the 22-250 on Coyotes for decades now and it performs well also. From my Harris Bi-pods or from the rest of my day pack the shot placement with the 204 Ruger can be observed! This IS important! The 22-250 just has to much of a "shock" of recoil (at the instant of discharge) for one to observe where the bullet hit (went!)! Again this is an important factor for the Coyote Hunter - for among other things determining wind drift or incorrect holdover etc! The 204 Ruger is a SPLENDID Coyote cartridge! The 22-250 is a very good Coyote cartridge! And thats about all the "pissing" I care to do regarding these fine cartridges. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy | |||
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HARDBALLER, we used to pack a shotgun and a rifle on our yote hunts too I just got sick of packing two guns. My brother in law used to have one of the Savage 223/12g over and unders and I've never seen a bigger piece of junk in my life, he sold it. If your set on a muzzle break I would stick with the plain old 223 and get an AR with a 1-8 or 1-9 twist barrel so you can shoot the 69+g bullets or as suggested above go to the 223 wssm on the AR. You can get a AR10 in a 22-250 or 243 but they seem to be very heavy. If your set on the 204 you don't need a muzzle break mine stays on target w/o one and I have a 22" barrel. Provides for very fast follow ups, hope all this helps you and good luck on your choice. | |||
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