What kind of stock is it on the Rem 700 LVSF, a HS Precision? Or is it Remington's own plastic stock?

I don't know if Remington actually makes it (Remington says "custom designed"), but it is composite rather than plastic...it seems lighter and stiffer than a plastic stock to me...

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Then I see a Rem LVSF in my near future in 223 Rem or 221 Fireball

I know this thread is a little old, but my load development has taken a while, and I wanted to give a good example of what this rifle can do...mine is in .221 Fireball...5 shots at 100 yards...

Got_the_bug: Wow! Great shooting there with the new Remington LV-SF!
I have copied your load data and may just try it in one of my Fireballs (probably my Remington 700 Classic) sometime in the future.
I got my wooden ruler out and tried to measure the one bullet hole that is partially out of the wonderful grouping there. By taking that measurement and extrapolating (and guessing) it appears that your groups center to center measurement is somewhere between .250" and .300"! Amazing. Do you have your own measurent of this group if you do I would be interested? Also which scope do you have on this Varminter?
And thanks for bringing up this thread with your follow-up posting.
Once again great group and great shooting!
Long live Remington!
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VarmintGuy

Thanks, VarmintGuy...

I am going to give it the formal measure tonight...I think it is around the mid to high .3s if I err on the side of not giving myself too much credit...

I have been working with 50gr bullets (mostly V-Maxes) and ALL SORTS of powder/primer combinations. I was beginning to get a little discouraged, as I was getting decent groups, but not great ones. Maybe I am too picky -- after all, this is the first real from scratch load development that I have attempted. Anyway, I had similar results with 21.5gr H335, Federal 205Ms, and 50gr V-Maxes, but I was a little worried about H335 not being an extreme powder -- here I am testing at 40 degrees, when it will be at least 40 degrees warmer in the prairie dog fields where this gun will get its inauguration.

I think I'll try again to work up a 40gr load with similar accuracy and higher velocity (maybe around 3300 fps), but initial testing with Lil' Gun, AA1680, and RL7 didn't give me accuracy results like this, although speed was approaching 3500 fps. Ah, well...maybe I didn't find the right combo yet.

As for the scope, I picked up a couple Burris Fullfield II 4.5-14X with Ballistic Plex scopes when they were on sale last year at Bear Basin for $299 apiece. One went on my .17HMR, and I liked it so much that I put the other one on the LVSF. I think it is a pretty good match...light in weight, with a pretty optimal amount of magnification for the Fireball's range. I thought that putting a 6-24X on it would be kind of silly...among other things, it would pretty much negate the "carry" aspect that this rifle was designed around.

By the way, I think it was you that may have offered some insight into what I felt at first was a strange stock design. Having used it now for a while, you were right on. It is completely functional...perfectly stable on the rest, comfortable for gripping offhand. I love it. Here is a picture of my bab...err, I mean, gun.

Got_the_bug: Wow again! That is a wicked and cool looking Rifle! I did notice your great group was shot at a moderate speed there!
It would be a hoot if you could get the 40 grainers to smoke along and give accuracy near to what you got with the slower load.
My Kimber Fireball Rifle has been a great Varmint performer for me. I have had it online for 10 years now. I use the 40 gr. Bergers in my Kimber Ultra Varmint Fireball and the Nosler 40 gr. Ballistic Tips in my Remington 700 Classic.
Yes I think it was me that spoke glowingly about the stock design of the LV-SF on a couple of threads.
I wish you continued pleasure and success with your "wicked" looking Remington.
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VarmintGuy

VarmintGuy...

I measured from the outside of the black ring around the two farthest bullet holes and got .423...subtracted the bullet diameter of .224, and came up with .199 - round up to .2. Did I do that right? Let me know if you use a more consistent or proper method of measuring.

I think part of the good group had to do with the replacement Jewell trigger...after finding out my first Remington varmint rifle (a VSSF in .223) had an out of the box 6 lb. 12 oz. trigger pull (yipes!), I didn't even bother trying to adjust it...just replaced it with the Jewell. Figured the LVSF could benefit from the same thing, so I replaced the stock trigger before the first round was fired. Thanks for the compliments...I think it looks pretty cool, too.

Got_the_bug: Yes that is the way that you lucky real small one hole group shooters HAVE to measure them! Again congrats on the wonderful group!

Heres how I do it on those rare occassions I shoot a one hole group. Just like you did measure from outer edge to outer edge in the obvious direction that your one hole group extends most. You may need to measure in a couple of directions to find the largest edge to edge measurement there is. Then subtract the bullet diameter - or as I do more often find another single bullet hole in the same target material you shot and measure that hole. I often find that my 224 caliber bullets make .208" to .210" holes in heavy target paper like on my official BR targets I like to shoot? I don't know why or how a 224 bullet can make a 21 caliber hole but it happens. Then subtract the size of the single bullet measurement from your outer to outer edge measurement. This will give you the center to center measurement down to a gnats eyelash - or close enough!

I just went downstairs and remeasured a single hole shot in my official BR type target and it was .208" edge to edge!

If you have a single hole somewhere in a similar target just measure it and subtract it from .423. Using my single hole measurement that would render you still with an amazing .215" group (.423" minus .208 = .215")!

Again good for you!

Those Jewell triggers are just amazing works of mechanical artistry! I have 5 or 6 of them and only wish I could still afford them!

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VarmintGuy

P.S.: Nope - I have decided I am not done praising this group!

I find it just remarkable that a factory Rifle with a 14X scope and shooting factory bullets could on this occasion shoot such a small group! I say this as one who began trying to shoot small and consistent groups with my Rifles in the 1960's! Back then when I or my shooting/Varminting buddies shot a five shot group at 100 yards under .750" we got on the phone and called all our buddies and told them about it!

Got_the_bug has achieved the point with this level of accuracy (with his .200" group) that his bullet would strike within .100" of his point of aim at 100 yards, within .200" of his point of aim at 200 yards, within .300" of his point of aim at 300 yards and within .400" of his point of aim at 400 yards! Virtual absolute accuracy this! Imagine shooting at a Varmint or a target and knowing your bullet will strike within 4/10ths of an inch from where you are aiming at 400 yards! In my mind one does not need to improve on the Rifles performance any further just keep ones wind gauge and rangefinder within reach and simply squeeze the trigger! Varmint in the bag!

VarmintGuy, It would be so easy if it was as you say!!! However 1/2" at 100 does not automatically equal 2.5" at 500 yards!!! The group that was posted for the 221 at 100 yards is EXCEPTIONAL!!! CONGRATULATIONS to the shooter!! Now stretch that out to 200, 300 and duplicate the MOA value!!! It's not a given!!!!! I own( and you do too) guns that will do in the .1s and .2s at 100 but that does not mean they'll do .2-.5 at 500!!! I've got on that will do .4@100 and about .5 @200 and has been known to do in the .5's @ 400!!! I'll take that one as it shows the ability to stabilize 87 grain VMaxs at a long ways off!!! Albeit they were only doing 3263fps to start off with!! Did the goundhog know the dirfference between 3263 and 3500? I think not.....he's just dead!! But I knew the difference in the accuracy when I touched the trigger!!! ACCURACY OVER VELOCITY ANYDAY!!!! GHD

Groundhog devastation: I tend to discount your contention that distance (out to 400 yards like I mentioned above) automatically causes increases in a Rifles M.O.A. capability. In my experience it is not the increase in distance that creates noticeable bullet dispersion (misses?) it is other variables. Like switching winds and unknown winds and unaccounted for winds and unknown distances or mirage that makes longer distance shooting more difficult thus the resulting greater bullet dispersion at long range!

Now even on the best of days a HUMAN shooting at a range of 400 yards can be an inconsistent variable! Like a tad jerky trigger "pull" that barely shows itself at 100 yards will be multiplied 4 times at 400 yards. And a human going for a quick second shot at 400 yards may not use the exact same grip on the Rifle, or rest it at the same spot on the bags, or change the pressure on one leg or the other of a bipod etc. We all realize (or will learn) those things. But I contend - emphatically so, that a Rifle that can shoot a .200" 5 shot group at 100 yards, under perfect conditions at 400 yards, yes, that bullet should land within .400" of the Riflemans point of aim! Or said like this - it will land within .400" inches of ones point of aim at 400 yards thus being a .200 M.O.A. Rifle at 400 yards (capable of creating a .800" group out there) as well as being a .200 M.O.A. Rifle at 100 yards.

The variables of shooting conditions affect every similar bullet shot from Rifles the same when the variables are the same. Whether the Rifle is a .200 M.O.A. gun or a 2 M.O.A. gun! The conditions do not change the Rifles accuracy one iota! Its the Riflemans ability to observe, interpret and deal with the conditions at the time of the shot that will determine a hit or a miss way out there at 400 yards! Not the Rifle. And so I will restate - that Rifle of Got_the_bug's is tuned (and if it can muster up some more velocity so much the better!) all its user needs is a wind gauge and a rangefinder. Then ZAP, yes your typical Varmint is dead out to 400 yards with that type accuracy.

Or I will say it like this, YES, automatically a 1/2" M.O.A. Rifle at 100 yards is a 1/2 M.O.A. Rifle at 400 yards! If its not then the user is using an inappropriate bullet for that barrel. Now there may be miniscule enlargement (or reduction) in group size (M.O.A.) capability over this range but in my experience not enough to worry about - when using the proper bullet for ones barrel twist rate.

Or... GHD if you differ with my contention please try, in compliance with your experiences, to quantify your perceived increases in a Rifles M.O.A. capability from 100 to 400 yards. You have illustrated your one Rifle that apparently shoots on occasion even better M.O.A. wise at 400 yards than it does on occasion at 100 yards. But overall or typically what do you think the increase in M.O.A. for a Rifle is from 100 to 400 yards?

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VarmintGuy

VarmintGuy...

Thanks for the pointer about the bullet hole diameter in heavy target paper...that is good advice, and the target paper I used was pretty heavy, so I'll have to see what the diameter of a single hole really is...

Maybe it was just a fluke...I had the same exact spasm every time I shot, and by some miraculous way I got this group... The funny thing was, I had already had 20 rounds of other loads through the barrel before I shot the group in the picture. I would think the chances of getting a one hole group would be much better after a clean barrel/fouling shot, but I guess that is not always the case.

I think at the current velocity and bullet weight, that if I was shooting at 400 yards, I would have a nearly 5 foot drop!

Got_the_bug: Yes that is a good sign there with the new Remington firing that superb group after having 20 rounds down the pipe! Good for you and for Remington!
By the way what did you do with the old trigger. I know a fellow that buys them (Remington 700 triggers). If its for sale I will pass the word on to him. Yes I would advise pepping up those pills for best field results. Though, if you were to arrange for your point of impact to be a manageable 2.5" high at 100 yards with that load it would still be high at 200 yards and I don't think it would drop 4+ feet then in the next 200 yards of its travel to 400 yards! Yes, a good Laser rangefinder cures trajectory troubles!
I am hopeful you can find an accurate load that is also flatter shooting for Varminting. Sure sounds like you have found the "fun day at the range" loading already!
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VarmintGuy

VarmintGuy...

The last trigger takeoff from my VSSF I sold on eBay. I haven't gotten around to posting the one from the LVSF, so I'd be happy to sell it to your friend if he wants it. I didn't even fire a single round with the stock trigger, so it is brandy-new, in the plastic bag the Jewell came in, safely on my bench...

VG, I think there is a 1000 yard match I can drive to tomorrow so based on your assumptions about 100 yards Vs 1000 yards, then I'll just take the 222MAG 40X that does "little bitty groups at 100" and I probabably should take the .260BDL 24" barrel as it does in the .3's at 100 and mop up on the old boys with their $3000.00 custom rigs!! AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN!!! If it was as you say, any .5", 100 yard gun ought to do 5" at 1000!! I really look forward to getting to meet you someday and going on a varmint shoot down here or up there!! Y'all got a few more targets than we do!!! I can't imagine getting to pop 3-500 caps a day!!! Don't take offence at this posting!! There is a difference in 100, 400, 500, 1000 yards!!! And I see your arguments with the wind and such! But a truly great 100 yard gun is not necesarrily a super-duper 500 yard, 1000 yard gun!!!! Take that to the bank!!! GHD

For the first time in my life I'm at a loss for words

Groundhog Devastation: You are comparing apples to Orangutans now! I specifically mentioned 400 yards in my original answer and I stand by that - A Rifle with .5 M.O.A. capability at 100 yards still has that capability at 400 yards! Especially in any caliber offered in the Remington 700 LVSF (the subject of this posting) and I own at least two of all of them by the way.

You just go right ahead and take your 222 Magnum out and fire it at the 1,000 yard competitions and I will bet that the folks that have more suitable cartridges for fighting the conditions out to 1,000 yards will usually whip you! Thats your choice if you want to partake in that endeavor! Perhaps you should re-read my posting where I made a point of acknowledging that prevailing conditions over distance will affect bullet dispersion - some more so than others! But conditions do not affect the M.O.A. capability of a Rifle - conditions do affect a Rifleman and his bullets though!

Now having re-repeated that, please advise me what your 222 Remington Magnum changes in M.O.A. capability in from the 100 yard target to the 400 yard target on a dead calm day without mirage! This is not a trick question - but once you answer it I will refer you to an article I have saved where folks shot extremely accurate Bench Rest Rifles inside a well lit, dead calm air warehouse in Houston, Texas at both 100 yards and then at 200 yards! Looking forward to your answer.

Speaking of repeating things I will repeat that a truly great 100 yard Rifle will be a truly great 400 yard Rifle unless one is using very unsuitable bullets in that Rifle!

I do not see YOUR point at all - how a really accurate Rifle at 100 yards somehow becomes a real inaccurate Rifle at 400 yards! That simply is exactly contrary to my experiences! If I plan on shooting Varmints (and this is the Varmint Hunting Forum by the way!) at 400 yards I will of course pay for a Varmint Rifle and for Varmint bullets that will perform properly at 400 yards or for what ever ranges I intend to shoot at!

GHD this is the second time I am asking this same question of you and in order for me to more specifically refute your contention I need an answer from you. Preferrably a specific answer from you but even if you could just maybe repeat a rumor you have heard in this regard! M.O.A. changes in a RIFLES capability please from 100 to 400 yards in your opinion/experience is what I am waiting to refute!

It has always been a dream of mine to shoot an Eastern Woodchuck! I hope to do so someday!



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VarmintGuy

I stopped by the Varmint forum to post a question asking if anyone had any experience with the VLSF, and low-and-behold!



Great thread, and great info. I think Remington really hit a winner here, especially if their quality control is tight on these rifles. It seems every other maker thinks a gun has to be 12 lbs in order to be a "varmint" rifle.



Thanks again to everyone who posted on the topic.



By the way, for those that haven't been able to handle one, here's my take:



The stock is NOT the normal Rem ADL plastic handle. I would've guessed it was a McMillan. It has a great feel, and the new recoil pad is great (for those that are tired of being beaten up by their .223s). It could be a little muzzle light, so be careful on your scope choices so that you don't tip the balance rearward. Fit and finish appears to be excellent. I can't wait to shoot one!

I just recieved mine in 22-250, and it looks great! But, when I open the bolt, it turns out that there is a hole between the stock and the metal, D shaped half inch hole, in the recession cut out for the bolt handle. Guess this might not be a problem, since the bolt handle will be tight against this hole when the bolt is locked. But, I do not like the look of it, looks like a trap for dirt and grit.... Also ample room for dust to penetrate into the trigger mechanism from the groove cut for the safety catch... Anyone else who has a LVSF that could check if your stock is shaped like this? Will not this be a problem? (Sorry about my English...)