looking for some comments regarding how you have found different 22lr bullets.
hollow points opening up, or solids for better hitting power?
also with so many different brands of 22lr bullets the type of lead used will effect the mushrooming?
figure with so many people owning a 22 there should be a welth of experence out there.
greg

For shooting rabbits and the like I use 22hp but that said I have killed hundreds for small critters with a plain 22 round nose lead.

For larger critters yotes on up inclueding deer a soild bullet gives better penatration.

But then I prefer head shots on small game so with a head shot it doesn't really make any differance. Hit the brain and they die.

Sorry for the long response...

Given the same case/powder/manufacturer the velocity/energy calculation difference between solids and HPs are too small to make any differnce, in my opinion. Differences among the manufacturers CCI/Rem/Federal, etc. can be significant however. The impact of an HP bullet on a small carcass, however, is very different vs. a solid.

On a good summer I'll shoot a few thousand rounds of .22lr and I buy copper coated cheepies (I think Federal, about $9 per 400 rounds). I find that my gun jams way less than if I use Remington exposed lead with what appears to be wax on the bullets. Others may have different experiences. Obviously I'm buying for volume and not lethality.

For small gophers (Richardson's ground squirrel) the HPs just make the kill a bit more fun. The rating system is known as the "chunder rating" where the unbiased judges score on amount of chunder dislodged from the victim as well as the distance the chunder travels from same. Solids would kill just the same, just not as fun.

For cotton tail rabbits I can't imagine that it matters for lethality, but I choose solids to reduce damage; I don't like to blow them apart. Also, I like to be pretty close (less than 50 yards) as the .22lr looses energy very fast.

I've found the .22 to be too light for prairie dogs or larger jack rabbits unless you're very close. Not a quick enough kill in my opinion, its easy to loose a jack in high brush or have a prairie dog get down its hole.

My all purpose favorite .22 LR is the CCi Stinger, followed by their Velocitors and last, their Small Game Bullet. The two things which matter most should most likely apply to all game shooting: 1, match the bullet to the game and 2, shot placement. The rest seems to take care of itself.

add WW POWERPOINT

The Quickshok is a pre fragmented Stinger.

It blows away half of a ground squirrel.

Rockchucks don't make it to the hole.

Don't shoot anything with it that you want to eat.

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Unique Terminal Performance on
Varmints. Quik-Shok* is another great varmint
load. It has the same down-range ballistics as Stinger,
but brings a unique bullet design to
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hollow-point bullet is designed
to break up into three segments
on impact for even greater
stopping power. The three segments
diverge from the main path to extend shock
Quik-Shok is an excellent choice for larger var
that require a larger wound area.
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terminal effects. Only the varmints complain
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Quickshok are great for small rabbits and possums,very messy i wish CCI made them for 22 mag.

I use winchester power points for goats as power points are a lot harder,i also use power points for killing stock cows/pigs on the farm.

As luck would have it I met the guy from Polywad a few weeks ago and he sent me an old box of QuickShok. Can't wait for it to warm up and try them out on gophers! He tells me basically what tnekkcc reports: no survivors.

My son has a science project in the works that was to compare the fired weight of different HP ammo from a .22lr. He fired them into water filled milk jugs, and weighed them.

The results were not shocking but it was interesting to me. We found some recovered bullets weighed more than the factory said they weighed in the first place. Penetration for the Remington's was similar to high power rifles firing any other type ammo, and slighty less for the Winchesters, however the Win expanded better without breaking apart, but was inconsistant. The Rem's have smaller frontal dia., and were supposed to weigh 36grs. Win were 37grs. We weighed them as complete rounds for a consistancy check and found them to vary by nearly two grains in only a small sample. I don't have the measurements available but I weighed them on a scientific scale at work.

Rems in grains 36.28,39.27,34.21

Win " " 27.16,27.33,37.5,37.46

I'll see if I can get a pic to post with this. Nate

Nate,
With Quick-shok, you would have to find all three pieces.

Stingers and Quick Shok are fast and explosive, but not very accurate from my guns. Most standard velocity round nose don't blow up, neither have the Remington 550 round pack hollowpoints I've shot into water. Whatever is most accurate will work.

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Originally posted by Tyler Kemp:
Stingers and Quick Shok are fast and explosive, but not very accurate from my guns. Most standard velocity round nose don't blow up, neither have the Remington 550 round pack hollowpoints I've shot into water. Whatever is most accurate will work.

You need a hunting chamber, not a target chamber.
I can hit a squirrel as far as the 22 will shoot, ~75 yards.

I recently had to buy a reamer to fix a Green Mountain chamber.

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Originally posted by 6.5BR:
add WW POWERPOINT

+1 on the Power Points.

i have given plenty of diferent types of .22 ammo a go and found my gun likes the faster loads. the stingers are the 2nd best load for me to the win lazers.
i was hopeing to get some photos of projectiles. anyone???
greg

I have a few .22LR pics of my son's experiment, I was surprised a little. I also have one .22 Mag slug recovered from a bobcat.

I'll post some up, I've just been incredibly busy. Nate

cool nate, i looking forward to it
greg

This is a CCI Mini-Mag .22 Mag from a Ruger 10/22 at about 60 yards. I used this same ammo on coyotes and a bobcat with good success. I do have one recovered bullet, but didn't have time to mess with this stuff last night. Nate

I've been using the WW Power Points since they first became available in the states and have nothing but praise for them. With the extremely thin side walls and the gaping hollow cavity, they'll expand to the outer limits of the cartridge's effective range, and it's the only .22 LR Hp that expands consistently from an 8-inch Dan Wesson revolver. It's about the only rimfire ammo that I feed my .22 LR rifles, and the PPs have exhibited excellent accuracy in all of them -- and in a couple rifle, the accuracy actually borders on match grade.

And while I don't consider the .22 LR adequate for predators, I have even taken a couple of incidental coyotes and a feral dog on our farm using the PPs. None ran very far before giving up the ghost (all were chest hits). And several years ago, while running my trapline, I found a water set for 'coon that had been destroyed and pulled up. Tracks told me it was a bobcat. The only gun I was carrying was the Dan Wesson, and I always kept it loaded with 4 .22 shorts and 2 power points since I occasionally located a 'coon sunning itself on cold winter mornings. I didn't have to travel far before I located the 'cat. It had hung up with the trap on some brush, but it appeared as if the stake was about the drop out. If it did, the cat would take off and probably never be found. I was right at 30 yards away, and the only shot I had was to the chest. To my relief, the bullet hit home, and the big tom folded on the spot.

thanks nate.
tell me, the ring is that the front of the hollow point? nice photo.
bt sounds like these win pp's are to good not to try. i will have to chase some up.
thanks all
greg

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Originally posted by greghud:
thanks nate.
tell me, the ring is that the front of the hollow point? nice photo.
greg

I think it is the remaining portion of the mushroom . It was found with the core piece in the last jug. Here is a pic of a CCI Maxi 40gr. JHP recovered from a bobcat shot at about 12 yards. It had gone through the cat and was found against the hide on the off side. Nate



Here are two of my sons pics of .22lr ammo. He used Rem Golden HP and Winchester Expert HP's they are 36 & 37gr. loads. They penetrated as far at 40 yards as my 7mm RM does at 100!

I haven't read this whole thread but I will post this one little bit of info.
Back in Australia we use the .22lr for a lot of shooting, and for head shooting on a lot of larger game too.
I shoot subsonics almost exclusively and back home I always used Winchester Subsonics or a bullet called "Bushmans". Here in Italy I've tried a whole heap of more exotic stuff like Sellier & Ballot and Lapua. The one thing that has stood out is that the Lapua subsonics are not reliable for head shooting deer and pigs. They are louder than the Winchesters, if that's any indication that they are faster but I have had more than one bad experience with them so I am not going to use them anymore. On one occasion a pig took the first slug to the head from about 10m and reared up like a horse might, before I was able to empty the remaining 9 from the 10/22 into the head and kill it. While skinning the head I found about half the slugs hadn't penetrated the bone!
The Winchester subsonics have never let me down and I've seen and done amazing things with them.
I killed a 200kg boar just last week with a single Winchester subsonic to the brain at around 50 meters!