Does anyone hunt with a silencer on a .223? I know it will not be completely quiet, I'm just looking at the possibility of getting a second shot of. I've shot them before at the range but never on a hunt. We shoot from a stand or bench so weight doesn't matter. Thanks, Tony

I have been thinking about the same thing. If I got the LaRue 20 inch OBR then I was going to probably go for a suppressor too.

One problem I saw is that most of the dedicated varmint barrels are of course not threaded for a muzzle device. And secondly the barrel diameters are such that it seems difficult to do. In a heavier barrel gun you might have to swap down to a smaller diameter and threaded which may reduce accuracy somewhat. Or not.

If it still 24 inch barrel then that barrel will be getting long too with the suppressor in place.

But I have to believe it is done. Look at all the tactical long range guns and they all have a can on them.

I have suppressors on my 22K Hornet and 222 Rem.

They have lost no accuracy after threading the barrel.

Will not hunt without them.

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Originally posted by TexKD:
I have been thinking about the same thing. If I got the LaRue 20 inch OBR then I was going to probably go for a suppressor too.

One problem I saw is that most of the dedicated varmint barrels are of course not threaded for a muzzle device. And secondly the barrel diameters are such that it seems difficult to do. In a heavier barrel gun you might have to swap down to a smaller diameter and threaded which may reduce accuracy somewhat. Or not.

If it still 24 inch barrel then that barrel will be getting long too with the suppressor in place.

But I have to believe it is done. Look at all the tactical long range guns and they all have a can on them.

Our local gunsmiths charge $65/$85 to thread a barrel. Tony

I have a suppressor on a .223 that has a 26" bull barrel on it. With the suppressor on it has a total barrel length of 34" which make it heavy in the field and lllloooonnnngggg. But I still pack it when deer hunting and the outfit probably weighs in around 11-12 pounds.

From a stand or a bench it would be a non factor.

As you know they don't make the report silent, just reduce it down where ear muffs are not required which is a nice touch. Mine will suppress a muzzle flash if that is a consideration also.

Accuracy if anything was improved once the suppressor was installed and velocity went up a little. The rifle did need to be re-sighted as in adding about 12 oz to the end of the barrel,kind of like adding a harmonic device on the end. It is a legitimate .5-.7" shooter after a trigger job.

What it does do to help in the varmint setting is to destroy the "sound tracking" capability of the critters, particularly coyotes. It interrupts that path and they have a harder time identifying the source of the shot. I've shot over coyotes many times and had them run towards me in their confusion. Another benefit, besides the need to have ear protection, is that when shooting critters like rockchucks or similar prey they sometimes will not be alarmed if they are far enough away say 250+ yards and the bullet doesn't hit something close to them when you shoot their buddy.

I do have another suppressor on a CZ .22lr bolt gun and when shooting subsonic rounds like the CCI standard velocity it is indeed Hollywood quiet. The trajectory is markedly different after 70 yards with a standard velocity load so I have dedicated this rifle to the silent mode. You can actually hear the firing pin hit the case and then as you know the bullet impact sound. I've shot it with people withing 40-50 feet and they did not hear the round go off.

OK I'm really interested now!! I know they are all close as far as noise reduction, 34 to 36 db. What are some of the favorites, This a bench rifle, and length and weight doesn't. Thanks, Tony

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Originally posted by Tony in SC:
OK I'm really interested now!! I know they are all close as far as noise reduction, 34 to 36 db. What are some of the favorites, This a bench rifle, and length and weight doesn't. Thanks, Tony

Mine are from HTG in Meridian Idaho but that shop has changed hands a couple of years or so ago and the news is not great since then.

George Vais, the originator of the Vais muzzle break formed HTG to manufacture the suppressor but has since the last couple of years returned to his native Greece and is no longer associated with HTG to my knowledge.

I would certainly look at the test results for db reduction and more importantly who conducts those tests. That does make a difference on which one is favored.

I wish we could use sound supressors here in canukistan would defintly help when hunting varmints or what ever, keeps noise to a absolut min.

Yes I know it can be done but some of these muzzles are 0.850 or so, so turning it down to thread a 1/2 x 28 can be a bit of work.

I am glad to know that the accuracy improved - but was that with a barrel that had been turned down on the end like we are discussing here. For my use, I would get a barrel set for it as I dont care for inducing stress into a barrel.

But good to know.

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Originally posted by TexKD:
Yes I know it can be done but some of these muzzles are 0.850 or so, so turning it down to thread a 1/2 x 28 can be a bit of work.

I am glad to know that the accuracy improved - but was that with a barrel that had been turned down on the end like we are discussing here. For my use, I would get a barrel set for it as I dont care for inducing stress into a barrel.

But good to know.

It was with the same barrel but the improvement in accuracy was very slight as was the improvement in velocity.

It was an accurate shooter to begin with and remained so afterwards.

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Originally posted by TexKD:
Yes I know it can be done but some of these muzzles are 0.850 or so, so turning it down to thread a 1/2 x 28 can be a bit of work.

I am glad to know that the accuracy improved - but was that with a barrel that had been turned down on the end like we are discussing here. For my use, I would get a barrel set for it as I dont care for inducing stress into a barrel.

But good to know.

I'm thinking of having a smith turn my barrel to 5/8-24, or go with a quick change. A good gunsmith using chilled turning will not harm your barrel. I have my own machine shop but only my gunsmith can do anything major to one of my rifles . Tony

I have all my rifles moderated,

Yes it will still shoot, for the most part the practical precision is elevated a lot,

volyme shooting, like say 10 rounds in less than 3-5 min will yeild a lot of mirage from the moderator,

a cower will help a bit but not completly.

Still I have managed trippels and at times fours on rabbits with a moderated .17 M2.

/Chris

In the UK just most rifles have a moderator fitted For long shot strings they will cause a bad mirage Here we tend to use over the barrel reflex type mods but they also hold the heat on the barrel and slow down the barrel cooling I would suggest that as you are shooting from a bench an end of barrel mod would be more suitable but avoid fitting a on the end mod with a 1/2" thread as it is a weak point cut something fatter.

I shoot a 223 shortened to 18.5 inch with a silencer

Great for Africa after camp fire has kindled and spot hyena with night vision equipment and pick them off with silenced 223

(please don't talk about legality) its Africa

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Originally posted by londonhunter:
I shoot a 223 shortened to 18.5 inch with a silencer

Great for Africa after camp fire has kindled and spot hyena with night vision equipment and pick them off with silenced 223

(please don't talk about legality) its Africa

Now that sounds like fun.

The other one I saw that I thought was hilarious were some hunters shooting at a buch of baboons with marbles and a sling shot. When they hit one, and I'm sure it would sting, he would turn to the baboon closest to him and starting beating on it. Funny stuff.

One of the guys in the club has a surpressed 22-250. Have been sitting next to him when he shoots it, sounds like a hot 22MAG load. None of the familiar "crack" from a 22-250. Much more pleasant.

The barrel does heat up faster now, but the trade off is worth it. He said his groups improved after fitting the surpressor. I asked if maybe it's because you don't flinch from the noise.
He never thought about that before, but it might be true.

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Originally posted by londonhunter:
I shoot a 223 shortened to 18.5 inch with a silencer

Great for Africa after camp fire has kindled and spot hyena with night vision equipment and pick them off with silenced 223

(please don't talk about legality) its Africa

Long way to go for a bit of NV assisted vermin control

Why not just stay at home and take your "fun" out on the neighbourhood urban fox population?

Check these guys out

www.shootersdepot.com

In Corpus Christi TX>

Hitech stuff.

I run one on my 20 VarTarg and have had excelletn results with it. I get many more oportunities for multiple shots on the rabbits I predominately hunt with it, than I did before having the moderatoer made and the barrel threaded for it. I left the bull barrel on my X R 100 at the full length (25 1/5 inches after being re chambered from the 204 to 20 VT)
The moderatore is 5 1/2 inches forward of the muzle and 6 1/2 inches over barrel. While it adds a bit of weight and effects the balance of the rifle it has many advantages that outweigh these factors.

We just returned from a week of PD shooting in SD and every rifle we took was suppressed, I had a new CZ 527 in 204 that I threaded the night before we left because I didn't want to have to use ear muffs for just one rifle. As a Title II manufacturer, Coastal Gun, Inc., it's easy for us to do this but our 2nd largest dealer is in SD and 90% of his sales are to varmint hunters. Feel free to email me if you have any questions.

Depending on the suppressor company, many use a 5/8" thread then have an adapter for the "can" down to the 1/2" thread for the smaller barrels.

I have never shot a suppressed rifle, do they quiet them down enough to shoot without hearing protection?? Say a 223 or 204...

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Originally posted by P-dog shooter:
I have never shot a suppressed rifle, do they quiet them down enough to shoot without hearing protection?? Say a 223 or 204...

A suppressor or moderator as we call them on this side of the pond make a fine job of reducing the sound level to a point where the noise is bearable. I shot a 204 a few weeks ago and with a moderator fitted it was a mere pop !

hi i have a .204 fitted with a t4 mod shooting it is as easy as a .22 rimfire

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Originally posted by P-dog shooter:
I have never shot a suppressed rifle, do they quiet them down enough to shoot without hearing protection?? Say a 223 or 204...

The answer to that question is yes. Subject to the quality of the moderator of course. They also help to reduce recoil.

All of my varmint rifles have moderators fitted. It allows you to watch the bullet strike. Which is very advantageous when lamping foxes.

I have a question. Is it legal in the US to take a rifle that was surpressor licensed in one state to another state and use it? Just wondering since I have land in two states.

Larrys, if the state you're going to is also suppressor friendly, all you do is send in a form (can't remember the number off hand) notifing the ATF a few weeks prior to your trip with your destination and dates. They'll approve it and you're good to go (keep a copy with you). I believe you can specify up to a year out, so you could for example say I'm going from KS to NE between now and June 2013 and be covered for 12 months on one document.

Bob

I had the barrel of my tikka t3 hunter cut back to 20" and fitted a jet z ultra can to it and the thing is awesome! minute of angle groups and less report than a rimfire.
the same can fits my .270 and 243 with astounding sound reduction.
would recomend this setup to anyone.
steve

It's been a while since the original poster asked his question but here's another choice: http://thunderbeastarms.com/products/30p-1

I'll be adding that to my .257 Weatherby mag and my .300 WSM. Quieter and less recoil is tough to beat.

For those States that struggle to issue Moderator/Surpressor's, has no one thought of taking a case to court for dammage to their hearing?. That's what happened here with the Forestry Commision rangers, who were suffering acute hearing issues while carrying out deer control with unsurpressed rifles. Before you could say "Who said that??!!" Health and Safety reared it's ugly head and opened the flood gates and everyone could apply for a surpressor/moderator.....

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Originally posted by Ratwhiskers:
For those States that struggle to issue Moderator/Surpressor's, has no one thought of taking a case to court for dammage to their hearing?. That's what happened here with the Forestry Commision rangers, who were suffering acute hearing issues while carrying out deer control with unsurpressed rifles. Before you could say "Who said that??!!" Health and Safety reared it's ugly head and opened the flood gates and everyone could apply for a surpressor/moderator.....

Here in the Colonies reason doesn't always prevail.

Silencers and full auto firearms are seen as the tools of desperadoes and terrorists, particularly by the left wing progressive socialist party headed by Obama.

I believe these archaic laws were a by product of the roaring 20's and 30's and were the tools of the different Mafia gangs and were regulated out of the hands of the common man in most cases. You can still get both a silencer and a full auto by jumping through a lot of hoops and laying down a few quid.

I understand, to some part, about the controls on the full auto shooters as those do lay down a suppressing amount of firepower, but the continued controls are the silencers are nonsensical.

Emotion and intent are more important now in our political world than facts and experience.

Don't most of the UK and some of the European countries consider it bad form to not moderate your shooter??? and isn't the price very reasonable?? Over here the license will cost you $200+ and the silencer from $500-900.

Surpressed fully auto.... Oh joy, the bunnies here wouldn't stand a chance!!

But on a more serious note, you're quite right. The rifle is the delivery system, not the surpressor! and how many rounds the rifle puts down is just accademics and politics.

Over here it's just a case of applying for a moderator/surpressor when you apply for your license, or as a "Variation" added to an existing license. A variation is normally about £28/$45ish, and will take about two weeks to come through.

I doubt greatly that we'll see droves of ex-colonials moving back over the Pond just to shoot surpressed rifles. But it would seem that there's a discrepancy in what was "The Land of the "Brave" and the home of the "Free" as some folks don't wish you to have so much of the "Free" bit anymore.... Bloody Shame!!

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Originally posted by larrys:
I have a question. Is it legal in the US to take a rifle that was surpressor licensed in one state to another state and use it? Just wondering since I have land in two states.

There is no license for a silencer unless you are importing, dealing or manufacturing them as a business. The rest of us use the ATF form 1 or 4 to make or buy them. The registration forms are merely proof the tax was paid.

Only machine guns, SBS, SBR and DD's need prior permission for transport across state lines. Silencers and AOW's come and go as you see fit. Form 5320.20 is used to inform the ATF of movement of these firearms across state lines.

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/44/922

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(a) It shall be unlawful -
(1) for any person -
(4) for any person, other than a licensed importer, licensed
manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, to
transport in interstate or foreign commerce any destructive
device, machinegun (as defined in section 5845 of the Internal
Revenue Code of 1986), short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled
rifle, except as specifically authorized by the Attorney General
consistent with public safety and necessity;

Ranb

How well does an auto oil filter work as a suppressor?

Probably not too well as the baffle/filter stack is not configured correctly.
A coke bottle and tape would work better.

My rifles I have suppressed are not in the .223 caliber. I have two .17 Remington and two .204 Rugers threaded for my suppressor. Here's my Savage target action in .204 Ruger with a 26" stainless steel Lilja barrel with the suppressor attached.



I have noticed that the prairie dogs don't get as alarmed as they did before I had this suppressor allowing for many more shots before the colony rodents disappear underground.

Here's a photo of one of my .17 Remingtons with the suppressor in place. This rifle is built on a Stiller Predator repeater action with a 26" Lilja barrel. Being able to shoot with no hearing protection is a big benefit, especially when the temperatures get up around 100º.



Here's a photo of another one of my .204 Rugers with the suppressor attached. This one is a Savage 12VLP with a 1 in 11 twist Pac-Nor super match grade stainless steel barrel that is 25" in length.



This last photo shows my other .17 Remington with the suppressor attached. This rifle was built on a Remington 700 ADL action, but I put it in an H-S Precision BDL stock and added the bottom hinged plate. This rifle has a 1 in 9 twist three groove super match grade stainless steel barrel.



This was my first coyote of this 2012-13 season. Unfortunately there were no other coyotes around so I don't know what their reaction would have been after the first shot. I'm thinking they probably would not have been too skitterish and I probably would have gotten a decent shot off at them too.

All of my barrels are heavy barrels. The thread for my suppressor is the 1/2" x 28 and my gunsmith made thread protectors for all four barrels. He didn't complain about the barrels being difficult to thread because of their large diameter. If anything my rifles are now more accurate than they were before using a suppressor. I do use a mirage shield when shooting targets and when shooting prairie dogs because the suppressor does get quite hot and the heat waves make it difficult to see the intended target. I won't use the mirage shield out coyote calling.

I wish I would have invested in a suppressor many, many, many years ago.

I love those rifles! I see your shooting hasn't slacked off at all!!

Good Hunting,

Bob

Shooters Depot cans have been a disaster. See: http://www.silencertalk.com/fo...topic.php?f=5&t=1795

My 20" 5.56 AR works really well with a 30 cal SAS Ti Arbiter can.

I have not long bought one of these Duralium mini supressors for a modified 6.5 Grendel I am building.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/sport...uction-529773403.htm

Generally at least a page of supressors available from this one sourse alone here in NZ
http://www.trademe.co.nz/sport...ilencers-suppressors

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As you know they don't make the report silent, just reduce it down where ear muffs are not required which is a nice touch. Mine will suppress a muzzle flash if that is a consideration also.

A good suppressor will remove the muzzle blast completely and add only a few inches to the length, the rest of the suppressor sits over the barrel. The only sound is the crack of the supersonic bullet which sounds like a whip crack.

This is a 22 with suppressor.


The threaded barrel.


Threaded barrel on another 22. This one has spark plug threads - M14x1.5


I use the same system on centre fires although I first attached the suppressor using Loc-tite. I have used a Loc-tited on thread a bit back from the muzzle on a 22-250. That one had a small suppressor which worked really well but was not silent.