VG mentioned the old 25, and 30 caliber Remingtons on the 260 thread here....

With Remington and the Military making a big deal out of the 6.8 SPC.... I was looking at some brass for the old 30 Remington and 25 Remington and thinking...

Those old case designs wouldn't be a bad idea for some varmint cartridges... they hold more powder than a 223, and less than a 22.250...which I think would make them awfully efficient....

Load data for the 6.8 SPC actually seems to like using IMR 4227 a lot, and IMR 4198...

I can see some real potential there... but then again, I like handloading and exploring...

But I also wouldn't mind being out varmint shooting with a heavy barreled old Rem Model 30S in 25 Remington chambering... so that shows what kinda guy seafire is.....out of the back of my restored 1950 Chevy Pickup....

Along those same lines I had a barrel made up for me for my Contender in 6mm 30-30 AI. Cartridge dates back to the 40s as I understand it. I use it for coyotes and prairie dogs all the time. Extremely accurate and easy to work with. It falls right into the cartridge size that is bigger than a .223 but a little less than a 22-250. I get an easy 3400 FPS with 58 gr. Vmaxs. Looks like a .219 DW on steroids.

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Those old case designs wouldn't be a bad idea for some varmint cartridges... they hold more powder than a 223, and less than a 22.250...which I think would make them awfully efficient....

Re wildcatting the 6.8SPC...I've looked at my rounds, and pictured a stubby 204R, an efficient .25 cal, and though I seldom shoot the 6mm's, that might really be ideal!
The PPC line almost has these covered, but new cartridges and names would be fun!
I am going to get some of the Silver State cases; they use the small rifle primer, whereas the R-P is large (hardly needed for the powder used). I believe Hornady ammo is also small rifle.

Old rounds with a little modification make great new varmint rounds. Here's a picture of a few small ones.



They are left to right; .17 Ackley Hornet built on the .22 Hornet, .20 Killer Bee built on the .218 Bee with a 40 degree shoulder added, .20VarTarg built on the .221 Fire Ball, .20 Tactical built on the .223, and the only standardized round the .204 Ruger built on the .222 Magnum. Great rat smackers all.

The .25 Rem is essentially a rimless .25/35 Win. And the .25/35 Win is the parent of the .219 Zipper. So a .22/25Rem would seem to make for a very nice varminter (particularly with the shoulder sharpened and pushed forward) which would be roughly equal to the now obsolete .224 WBY or .225 Winchester, ie. in between the .223 and the .22-250, not a bad niche to fill.

Would work nicely as a 6mm wildcat, also.

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But I also wouldn't mind being out varmint shooting with a heavy barreled old Rem Model 30S in 25 Remington chambering... so that shows what kinda guy seafire is.....out of the back of my restored 1950 Chevy Pickup....

I'm not even old enough to be nostalgic ... but on the bottom end of the World ... a P14 an improved version of the full-length 303/22, with an old style target scope rings my bell big time as well. Maybe more so that a Martini-Henry in 222R.
Cheers...
Con

Heck, I still get a deer varmint with my old .32 Remington pump every year or so. The .30 cases are still available for modification.

I got 20 6.8 cases right after Midway got them. I necked them down to 17, 20, 22 and 6mm, just for fun. The 20 looks real nice for 40-50. I bet the 6mm and 22 would be great also in 55-70s. I saw where guy was going to make and market a series. Never heard any more. 17 would be a barrel smoker, might be all right with 30gr Golds, for a long range coyote stomping rig. 20 would be probably the smallest bore diameter I would go on that case. It looks real cool. I got more projects than money right now. I have not messed with it. I was thinking a 35 deg should and minimal body taper. Talk like this gets me on the phone with Dave Kiff, and shit goes south from there. LOL I should dig those out and post a pic. Maybe get anther AR series of rounds going LOL. A 20 and a 6mm would be a nice combo on a Stevens, price would be right. I got form dies to make the cases. CD4H or Hornady to make the F/L and Neck dies. If you stayed with the same shoulder and body taper, you could get away with getting standard dies made into bushing dies cheap. Oh WOW here we go again.

I got a Uberti 1885 Winchester high wall replica in 30-30 that I want to rebarrel in 25-35 and drill and tap for a scope.

It seemed like a good idea to me, but I someone tells me that Colonel Townsend Whelen did nearly the same thing 80 years ago.


I have the dies, the action, the stock, the brass, the bullets, the powder.

All I need is a 25-35 reamer.

Watching the rise (and fall?) of the 6.8 SPC has been interesting. Way back in 1982 when attending Colorado School of Trades, there was a Marine there who was on a leave to attend school. He and a friend took a 30 Remington case, necked it down to 7 mm and were doing load development in a T/C Contender. Had a chance to shoot that cartridge and it seemed to do well. Don't remember the balistics but do remember their answer when I asked why this cartridge. They said it had potential for military use. Seems like many of the new ideas are not always so new.