Yep! I've got a 112BVSS .25/06 on order. And I have a Sightron 6-24X sitting here waiting on it. Can't wait to get it and do some shooting! I've even got Burris bases and Signature rings (have to get two sets of 2 piece bases and use both front bases b/c the actions with the Accutrigger are not machined flat at the rear - sets from Burris, Leupold, etc. will be out in a month or 2), Redding Competition die set, brass, bullets, etc. Everything but the rifle - come on Savage, get those things out to us!

I chose the Savage over Remington, Winchester, Ruger, CZ, etc., and not because of cost (as you can see from what I spent on the "accessories")! I feel like I'm getting a better quality rifle with a higher potential of being accurate than with the others. Better looking? I don't think the Varmint models look too bad myself.

I not only would but I have bought several and have never been disappointed.In 37 years of hunting and shooting Savages I've never had one fail to feed or fire for any reason.Never had to take any to the shop for work and have always gotten good to unbelievable accuracy.They call em' ugly but small groups and reliable service is a thing of beauty to me.From a 110 243 camoed coyote rifle to a 300WSM weather warrior and the 7mm-08 and 22-250 inbetween.Great price......good barrels.....light weight......accurate.....and now with the accu-trigger.

woods

I would definitly consider a Savage if I were looking for a new gun. I have owned several in the past and still do own a few and have found them excellant when it comes to accuracy. I think with a Savage you are getting a great gun at a resonable price.

I am on a bit of a tight budget, and bought two Savage 110's last year, one in .308 and one in .223. The .308 was a bit of an interesting story. The gentleman that works the counter in the gun shop by my home town has been a friend since I was about 16. When I walked in and said I was looking for a deer rifle that could do some recreational target shooting, the first thing he brought out was a Savage. I wasn't to impressed, and asked to see some of the Remmingtons siting next to it.
He told me that I wouldn't be disappointed with a Savage, and that I would with a new out of the box Remmington. I took his advice and have never regretted it.

That cheap old .308 will consistently group under an inch at a 100 yards, and under a 3/4 inch with someone with a bit more experience behind the scope (only been shooting bolt actions for a year, still learning).

The scopes on the package series are cheap, the gun looks like an old tire iron, but they shoot!

I have heard this from all over – Savage has an ugly butt. That is not only coming from anyone but Savage owners. I don’t own any Savage but I don’t think they are ugly either. Not any better or worse looking than A Remington or Winchester.

This is coming from a Browning fan.

Danny Boy

Danny,

I have never understood the whole "pretty gun" vs. "ugly gun" arguement. It makes me wonder what some of these guys that wouldn't hunt with an "ugly gun" do with their "pretty gun" when they are alone in the woods with it. Actually, that thought scares me a bit

Would I buy a Savage. No Way! The very same thing most cite about their Savages I say about my Rugers except not only do they shoot well they handsome too. I have never had to mess with the bedding or buy an aftermarket trigger. All my triggers were set by yours truly to 2 pounds or less without a trace of creep.

While I'm at it I will never buy a Remington either except maybe a custom as they need not only a trigger, but seem to need a bunch of gunsmithing to shoot well. At least that seems to be the general opinion I see here on this board. I don't know first hand being I havn't had one. My Remington 1100 LT-20 and 870 is perfect though.

Right know I'm of the opinion that Weatherby builds the best out of the box rifles period.

New guy here. First post. This thread caught my eye first because I just bought a new Savage 12FVSS .223 with the Accutrigger. I'm a benchrest competitor and like triggers in the ounces so I installed a Rifle Basix SAV-2 trigger. I compete in varmint shoots in the factory class. So far this rifle always shoots sub 1" MOA at 100 with a best so far of .377. Haven't moved out in yardage yet cause I'm still load developing. Best load was with Zia custom benchrest 52 grain bullets and N-133 Vhitivouri powder. Haven't tried the 69 grain bullets yet but I hear raves about them in the 1-9 twist Savage .223.
Would I buy another Savage? "Hell yes".
Mad`

If I had to use one gun only for the rest of my life it would be a savage. They are true tac drivers But I also like my Browning A Bolt 2 in 308 and my remington 700 adl syn. 300 win mag

YEP, WHen my chief asked me to make up a "police crisis interdiction rifle"(have been a dept sniper on different depts.) I started with a Savage 10FP in.308, replaced the stock with a sharp shooter, replaced the trigger with a sharp shooter and STILL had a rifle much cheaper then the vaunted PSS and it will shoot better.(I know, I used to use them also)
For those interested, because of the varying shooting distance variables in a rural northern Mi. I topped the rifle off with a Shepherd 310P2.

So what did you think of the stockade stock that Fred at SSS sells?I am getting ready to buy several and wondered what your thoughts were on them? Plenty stiff in the forearm?Full aluminum bedding block? Thanks

woods

I MOUNTED the rifle with the target/varmint stock if I recall the name correctly. It has a modest cheek rise and semi round/flat forearm so it will cradle well on any surface.
I got the semi finished because I knew it was going to get painted anyway.
The 10FP in the factory stock was just too tempermental to pressures. It would still shoot 1" but the stock and trigger change turned it into a consistent 1/2" or less gun.

It was a nice clean drop in and once I shot it in it hasn't moved.

Because of what the intended purpose of the gun is for, I never shoot "groups" with it any more. It is strictly a "one shot cold bbl group gun"
That is also why I went to the SHepherd scope. I have used them on my personal rifles before so I was familiar with the system. I find the dual reticle system very reassuring IF I ever have to take "that shot".
I "proof" the rifle at 100yds about every 2-3 weeks and when I pop the scope caps the scope will verify whether or not the gun has taken some kind of impact that could alter zero.

I would, I have, I would again.---Shoot Safe---montdoug

Hi Lawcop,

Nice write up on the Savage. The stock was a true drop in with no bedding? The gun sounds like a real shooter.

Thanks

Frank D

Frank, the stock is a true drop in but it certainly doesn't hurt to at least skim bed the action to the stock. It's also a good idea to completely bed the re-coil lug to the stock as it's a pretty loose fit the way it comes from SS.
However, it's a very nice stock and worth the dough.
mad`

I have a mod. 110E in a 270 Win. cal. and it will shoot .500 to .750 inch groups at 100 yards with my deer reloads, as long as I do my part. It's not the most handsome gun, but it is one of the most accurate that I own.

Vaya con Dios, Danbro

Sorry guys, But Ive never took a liking to those Savages. Dont get me wrong when i say this but they are ugly and are hacked together with little concern for durability in the long run. As a machinist/toolmaker I know poor metal work when I see it. Yes, you guessed it Im a Remington fan and I hope you can forgive me for it. I know that they shoot great out of the box but almost all my Remies do to!!! If they dont they are easily and simply accurized since the Remington is one of the easiest rifle actions to work on. Just cant bring myself to buy a Savage. Hey if they work and shoot for you then more power to you. I would never put anyone down for the brand gun they shoot. Just remember if you get mad you asked.

Don't get Mad`? I resemble that remark. LOL
I shoot both a 40X and a 12FVSS. I cannot for the life of me see where the Remington is machined better? My 40X needed lots of accurizing work on the action and a different barrel before it would shoot. The Salvage shot right out of the box. Your experiences may be different.
Anyways, it's the Ford Chevy thing and there is no end to it.
Have fun, Mad`

Come on man! We both know gunsmiths who can argue on both side of the fence. It really cracks me up everytime I hear the phrase" I know a gunsmith" LOAD OF CRAP!!!!!!!!

savage YUCK! SPIT! Absolutely not! They are a poor excuse for a modern Rifle. Ugly, erratic, poor triggers and a poor investment! They are seldom if ever used in any type Rifle competition. People who need reliable and accurate arms buy Remington! Remington bolt action Rifles outsell savage by more than 10 to 1 and rightfully so.
Lawcop: I spent 29 years with a large west coast Police Department. Everything you say about the savages run exactly contrary to what I have seen, heard and experienced first hand! Our department armorer tested the savage clubs and was never impressed with them. I have sat around dozens of times and watched as my departments SWAT team made impressively small groups with their individually assigned Remington 700 PSS's (most in 308 Winchester but some in 223 Remington)! Last I heard there were 20+ Remingtons in use and "0" savages!
I often scrounged the Federal brass when they were done practicing and made a point of "being there" on the range during their practice sessions. I never once saw a Remington fail. And looked directly at and evaluated hundreds of targets shot by the Remingtons. I KNOW how accurate and consistant they are!
Additionally I am in contact (and have been for 30+ years) with many different Gunsmiths and Riflesmiths here in the west half of the country and they definitely prefer the Remingtons!
It absolutely amazes me how two folks can have such divergent assessments of the savage situation!
I had an FFL for many many years and sold a lot of Remington 700's in the Police Sniper Special Models. None of them to my knowledge EVER needed any tinkering or aftermarket triggers! ALL of them were very accurate and attractive Rifles!
Your Rifle dollar is much better spent buying Remington!
Long live Remingtons reign over savage!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Varmintguy, I would like to challenge you or anyone else to a friendly shooting contest. I'll be shooting a box stock 12FVSS .223 and I expect challengers to shoot a comparable .223 Remington. No 40X's please. My 40X will be at the house where it belongs.
I am in Okla. City and have a benchrest range out to 300 yards.
Don't know if this contest could be pulled off because of logistics, but I am game. If I lose I'll buy steaks and your favorite beverage for dinner.
The OKC Police snipers (2) cannot outshoot me and my Savage even though they would like to think they could. They are friends and members of the gun club I belong to. We sometimes informally compete but mostly BS about guns.
Mad`

Mad, I think you guys should shoot for pink slips. Winner gets the other's rifle. Those remingtons that varmitguy keeps harping about being such a good investment are an even better deal when you get them for free.

I currently have several Savages and would/will buy more. I have owned several of each other brand rifles and have had more consistent, reliable accuracy from Savages than any other brand, period. I even went to the bother of having a 6mmBR built on a former .22/250 after I killed the pipe shooting prairie dogs, with a Sharpshooter trigger I would shoot a Savage against any other brand rifle, and not feel outclassed or be outshot. I shot a Cooper and a Sako last weekend, that belonged to another shooter, and neither would shoot with my Savages, beleive it or not.

Varmint Guy, An X- Cop????....
After reading your recent posts, its obvious you may have spent too much time in the evidence room!!....sakofan....

What up with this " if I loose Ill buy steaks" Ya right! If I win I want you gun!!! If your so confident about you Savages then that is no problem. I just wished we lived closer. You all get so worked up when we say we dont like Savages but you guys were the one asking. If you dont want to hear the truth dont ask. Also on the gunsmith topic. I have 1000 time more experiance than 80% of the gunsmiths out there in the art of machining due to the fact that I have been in the tool and die trade for almost 20 some yrs and do it everyday anywhere from 10 to 15 hrs a day and I can usually pick up anything metal and be able to tell you about the craftsmenship of the piece just buy looking at the finish and michined surfaces. I DID NOT say that Savages didnt shoot I just had concern about their durability and craftsmenship(fit and finish). Sorry!!!

Rule #1....Always be leery of people who constantly have to qualify themselves.

duster: I meant the challenge to be a friendly contest between riflemen. I did not sling testosterone, pound my chest, and eat a live baby bird.
I don't want someone else's rifle and I don't want to give mine away. Just a friendly contest, that's all.
Our gun club has 950 members and Savages rule the Prairie dog matches. Yep, we let 40X's shoot in the sporter class with Savages just so they don't have to shoot against benchrest guns. Must be a fluke?
mad`

I own both Rems and Savages. Both shoot very well. Both fulfill needs. Both get worked on to better suit me. Neither is as elegant or graceful as a Krieghoff. So?

I will add that this afternoon my $165 Savage 93 in .17HMR and an equally gruesome version in .223 both shot sub-half minute groups while I was checking zeros. What more could you want?

Yes, I'd buy a Savage.

Redial

VG....
"Lawcop: I spent 29 years with a large west coast Police Department. Everything you say about the savages run exactly contrary to what I have seen, heard and experienced first hand! Our department armorer tested the savage clubs and was never impressed with them. I have sat around dozens of times and watched as my departments SWAT team made impressively small groups with their individually assigned Remington 700 PSS's (most in 308 Winchester but some in 223 Remington)! Last I heard there were 20+ Remingtons in use and "0" savages!


You might have spent 29 years around them....

I have had the duty to USE them and shoot them. There are those who "watch" and there are those who "DO". AND I have over 30 years on the "job" and climbing. About 35 years in LE total.

I could have had/built/picked up anything within reason for the dept "long rifle" and if FN hadn't gone fanatic with the SPR, THAT was my first choice.
My next choice was the Savage.

WHat amazes me though after all these years is the mindset that "well if the police have it it must be good" when in truth the people making the purchases on some items don't have a clue what they are looking at and what the application may be other then who is the cheapest bidder and what "perks" come with it.
Just because some purchasing agent inked the deal, it doesn't mean it is the best for police work.

When it comes to rifles, Id rather have a diamond in the rough than a well dressed bumb.

With a handle like mine you know what I'm going to say! All kidding aside, I've owned several over the years and the reason I do is they get the job done (same reason why I buy Fords but we won't get into that here). To me, a gun is a tool. I wouldn't give you two cents for a pretty gun that may or may not do what you want. If you buy a Savage you know it's going to do what it's supposed to. Besides, with an ugly gun you don't have to worry about scratches and things. I have a friend with a Savage 112 in 22-250 and if he does his part he gets .75" - 1" groups consistently and has since he got it. Buy the Savage and don't look back.

I love my Savage .22-250. Heavy fluted barrel; stainless. Model 12. Rifle Basix trigger; drop in. The new triggers from the factory look like they should be OK.

My Remington 700VS .22-250 out of the box prints .340 to .375 groups consistantly with a 50gr VLC and 35.6gr of AA2520 seated -.025 off. All I have done to it is a trigger job. So as far as Im concerned Remingtons are wonderful. I also just purchased a 700 BDL SS in 7mm SAUM and it groups under an inch all day long with my starting load w/o any tweeking yet. I know I can get it to print smaller. I also have an old 721 given to me by my Grandfather in .30-06 that is a 1/2 inch gun shooting almost anything I feed it.
Again I cant for the life of me figure out why you Savage lovers get so upset when I say I wouldnt by one when Im asked the question as to if I would buy a Savage. You like responses to questions in posts as long as the person replying has the same openion as you. I guess we must agree to disagree. Anyway good shooting to all shooters, shooting whatever. Hey if we all shot the same thing we wouldnt have anything to argue about would we?

Chuckduster, Us Savage guys don't mind if you disagree with us. We respect your right to like Remingtons, kind of like the Ford and Chevy thing. Hell, that's what makes the world go round. Even if you bowtie guys are misguided, lol.

Good and entertaining post and l liked the comment about the Kreighoff being elegant and graceful or some such. If this is the case l wonder how one would describe a Perazzi?

Getting back to the Remington and Savage rifles l would not hesitate in buying a Savage although l would be a bit hesitant with a Remington. It comes down to the QC issues of late.

Have a good one and again this has been good reading.

Mad, If you feel I need to prove it to you then I will. Please post your name and address and Ill try to get it out to you asap. I am quit busy as of late trying to get my food plots in before i miss the spring rains. I like your little flag thing! REAL CLASSY! Grow up! Oh Ill expect to see your name and address posted shortly. I send out the groups when I finish seeding after this coming weekend.

My first two rifles were Savages, a model 99 (.308Win.) and a 110 Sporter (.243Win.). I think it's like the US Army commercial, "A great place to start." To make my .243Win. shoot well I had to glass the action, float the barrel and buy a new trigger. Savages do shoot well, but I've had to spend money to make them perform. I think most of us go beyond Savage as we gain experience. I find they are indeed butt ugly, but initially that doesn't matter. We just want something that shoots well. Later on we look for a little more quality. I personally wouldn't mind paying more for a Savage if it had a better factory trigger, and more attractive stock. It's just one mans opinion, but looks do account for something. Best wishes.

Cal - Montreal

nope

I've never owned a Savage but would buy one if I needed a rifle. With the kind of accuracy they produce most of the time, I could see trying my luck. I might buy a 223 or 22-250 in the near future to use on coyotes.

AXEL