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The Hornady Vmax, SX, Remington PLHP, Sierra blitz all pushed to 3300 fps and range never to exceed 200 yards, target the ole coyote. Looking for making exit holes rare.


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that'd be the Hornady VMAX and SX, Jay
 
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Rickt300: I have a bunch of Rifles that shoot the amazing Sierra 50 gr. Blitz bullets really well. I have taken virtually every type Varmint with these, that lives in the west.
They are not only accurate, lethal and cheap - they are found everywhere and remain the same, quality wise year after year.
I have killed several Coyotes with these out of different 22 caliber Varmint Rifles. I like them and if kept to the lower velocities they should hopefully not make an excessively large exit wound.
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rick--I'd be for taking a look at the 40 Sierra HP and the Speer 50 TNT. In my works with yotes they have been very pelt friendly.

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My vote is for the Hornady SX

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That was easy, a call to Bob at Hornady tells me the VMAX is more frangible, more likely NOT to make a exit wound. Jay
 
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Posts: 1700 | Location: Lurking somewhere around SpringTucky Oregon | Registered: 18 January 2005Reply With Quote
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I'd hate to have to disagree with a Hornady rep, but the SX is actually more frangible than the V-Max if bullets are launched at the same velocity and if impact velocities are the same -- and above 2200 fps or so.

Granted, the V-Max has a more efficient profile and retains velocity better, so yes, at longer ranges, the V-Max becomes the more frangible of the two. And the polymer tip aids in disruption of the bullet at longer ranges as well, another factor to consider.

But a dead giveaway is the fact that you can load a V-Max to almost any velocity level while an SX must be limited to 3400 fps or so lest it come apart before reaching the target.

Also, you must take everything -- including info from a manufacturer's customer service reps -- with a grain of salt. After all, if you saw Hornady's Fifth Edition 2-manual set, you'd see the horrendous errors. For instance, the "useful velocity range" for the 120 grain, 7mm Single Shot Pistol bullets was listed as 2600-3500 fps. How many 7 TCUs can reach that level??? I was told it was listed as such "to avoid confusion." Yea, right...

The 7mm BR data was listed as having been fired in a Contender, and we all know the pressures that cartridge operate at are not suited for a Contender. When I called to inquire, the guy (Steve, the same fellow I quoted above) argued with me and told me I didn't know what I was talking about. (But if so, why is the listing now "Encore" in the latest edition?)

The 6.5-06 is listed as an "improved" cartridge. And what would that make the actual 6.5-06 Improved??? I could go on and on, but my point is even though the info may come from a source that should be reputable, it may not always be completely correct.


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Posts: 9445 | Location: Shiner TX USA | Registered: 19 March 2002Reply With Quote
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I'd have to go with the SPSX Hornady's...

They are not only fragile, but they can be accurate little puppies also....

I have been impressed with them, especially with their cost factor vs performance levels...

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Yet another vote for Hornady SX bullets.
I have shot them for years with excellent results in both accuracy and effect on woodchucks.
My main concern after accuracy is keeping the bullet from bouncing off a rock or the dirt and heading to parts unknown.
In my area the country has become quite populated and the land is very flat. It is hard to find a road without 3 houses per mile


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Most frangible...... Speer 50 gr. TNT pushed as fast as you can push one just short of it coming apart....kinda like a flying light bulb.
 
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I have to go with the Speer TNT. I presume it has the thinnest jacket, since they recommend limiting the velocity to 3400 fps and discourage their use in twists faster than 1 in 12". Not sure if their accuracy can match Nosler or Sierra, though.


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I have to disagree with the choice of the Speer TNT. Yes, they are devastating at top-end velocities, but when the velocity begins to drop off at extended range, they often expand only minimally or sometimes fail to open at all. Also, they've had a problem with consistency lately; some lots shoot like a house afire, and some are just ho-hum in the accuracy department.

With the Hornady SX and Sierra Blitz, accuracy has never been an issue.


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Posts: 9445 | Location: Shiner TX USA | Registered: 19 March 2002Reply With Quote
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Well then the SX it is. I think Lock stock & barrel has a Hornady sale on right now and I will probably get some Vmax's too. I did not draw an elk tag this year so we are going coyote hunting after elk season closes. I know of a mountain crawling with coyotes and want to take some pelts to sell and make collars for some of my heavy hunting coats.


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Well I got the SX bullets from Cabela's and in some testing do believe they are fast openers. Tried em at 3300 fps on fanta soft drinks in 12 ounce aluminum cans and it seemed as if the bullet disappeared at impact and the cans were devastated. Good news as I tried for a leftover Elk tag and got it. Wyoming here I come. Is it still against the rules to shoot coyotes during any big game season?


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Looking for making exit holes rare


50 gr. Sierra Blitz with the lead tip, not the Blitz King, at 3000-3100 muzzle velocity will generally not exit a coyote.

The polycarbonate tipped bullets, Vmax, Blitz King, Ballistic Tip, etc. all were prone to cause exit wounds on coyotes in my experimentation. I think they penetrate a bit too much before disintigrating and there's enough energy left to blow some ugly holes in pelts.

Other good ones I've used are Calhoons Double Hollow Points and Berger Match bullets.

If you want really frangible bullets with zero chance of ricochet try SinterFire Bullets , I've only shot a few coyotes and a couple bobcats with them but no exits on any. And they blow up ground squirrels very well. Accurate too.

But......... If you really want to save pelts buy a .17 Remington and shoot 25 gr. Bergers, small pinhole entrance and no exit on coyotes and bobcats.
 
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I agree with Seafire, the old Hornady SPSX if I remember right were made for pistol velocities in the XP's and Contenders. I know at top 22.250 velocities they explode on heavy target paper.


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Originally posted by skb2706:
Most frangible...... Speer 50 gr. TNT pushed as fast as you can push one just short of it coming apart....kinda like a flying light bulb.


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I normally don't care about the pelts but I want to make some collars for a couple of heavy hunting coats and plan on taking my AR15A1/SP1. Last year where we hunted Elk coyotes were everywhere with big thick fur on em.


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