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I am shooting the FB cartridge out of a Remington XP-100 (10.75" barrel). Am using 40gr. Hornady X-Max bullets and am trying to get the velocity up to 2800fps or better (3000fps is the goal). All shots will probably be in the body at <100-yards. I don't care about the fur. My question is: Is this enough gun to put down a 40-70lb coyote? Member: Orange Gunsite Family, NRA--Life, Varmint Hunters' Assn., ARTCA, and American Legion. "An armed society is a polite society" --Robert Heinlein via Col. Jeff Cooper, USMC Caveat Emptor: Don't trust *Cavery Grips* from Clayton, NC. He is a ripoff. | ||
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In a word, "yes" GWB | |||
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Absolutely! Less than 100yds a Hornet or even the lowly 22mag will kill 'em dead! Post pics when done! We Band of Bubbas N.R.A Life Member TDR Cummins Power All The Way Certified member of the Whompers Club | |||
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No, it is too light for a 70-lb coyote. However, it is plenty for real life coyotes, which weigh much less than that. | |||
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You haven't seen Ohio coyotes. I had one trot past me a couple weeks ago that was the size of a medium German Shephard and FAT. There are lots of cats, small dogs, rabbits, unattended toddlers, etc, around here. We've been told that the coyotes in Ohio (there were none here 20-years ago) bred with Canadian wolves, which results in their larger than normal size. I don't know if that is possible or not, but am assuming it could be as coyotes can breed with dogs. Member: Orange Gunsite Family, NRA--Life, Varmint Hunters' Assn., ARTCA, and American Legion. "An armed society is a polite society" --Robert Heinlein via Col. Jeff Cooper, USMC Caveat Emptor: Don't trust *Cavery Grips* from Clayton, NC. He is a ripoff. | |||
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I used to use the 40gr Vmax in my Hornet at about 2900+ fps. I had a few runners with that combination. Once I switched to a 45gr bullet, that helped. Now, I use a 45gr Barnes XLC @ 2,900fps and, within it's limits, works pretty well. For me, I like the range to be 100yds, or less, on a frontal-facing-me shot. If the coyote is broadside, I'll stretch it to maybe 175yds. Much beyond those ranges, and the runners increase. Good luck, and let us know how you do. | |||
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KHornet: I am guessing you are using a rifle to get those velocities. I don't see myself being able to get >2800fps out of a 40gr. bullet w/ my XP-100, and that's pushing it. Member: Orange Gunsite Family, NRA--Life, Varmint Hunters' Assn., ARTCA, and American Legion. "An armed society is a polite society" --Robert Heinlein via Col. Jeff Cooper, USMC Caveat Emptor: Don't trust *Cavery Grips* from Clayton, NC. He is a ripoff. | |||
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I'm using the 40 gr vmax in my 14" hornet barrel in my Contender. I wouldn't hesitate to shoot a 'yote under 100 yds with it. You should be fine. Si tantum EGO eram dimidium ut bonus ut EGO memor | |||
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I have never seen a 70 pound coyote, but did weigh the largest one I ever shot, at 44 pounds. I suppose I have shot 50 of them. I have shot two with a custom Sako in 221 FB, with 40gr ballistic tips. Both were about 100 yards. And I have shot several with the 17 FB. The 221 in my opinion is fine out to 200 yards or so. Bullet placement at any range is important. NRA Patron member | |||
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This ain't Texas, but we still grow BIG coyotes here. A co-worker swears that two weeks ago he saw a news story on TV about a 100lb coyote being killed in the next county west of ours. I have tried finding the story online, but can't so far, so I can't confirm or deny it. The investigation continues... Member: Orange Gunsite Family, NRA--Life, Varmint Hunters' Assn., ARTCA, and American Legion. "An armed society is a polite society" --Robert Heinlein via Col. Jeff Cooper, USMC Caveat Emptor: Don't trust *Cavery Grips* from Clayton, NC. He is a ripoff. | |||
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Member: Orange Gunsite Family, NRA--Life, Varmint Hunters' Assn., ARTCA, and American Legion. "An armed society is a polite society" --Robert Heinlein via Col. Jeff Cooper, USMC Caveat Emptor: Don't trust *Cavery Grips* from Clayton, NC. He is a ripoff. | |||
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Kevin, Yes the speeds I get out of my Hornet are with a rifle, a 20" Ruger M77, to be exact. Most of my shots on called-in coyotes are facing me. When I used 40gr Vmax and hit the in the throat, it was 'sudden death', but if the shot went lower, or hit the shoulder joints, that caused some issues. That's why I've settled on the 45gr Barnes, as it can punch through the shoulders. | |||
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-the state of North Carolina cites that coyotes here breed with red wolves; so, yes that's possible. | |||
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I believe that one bred with my MIL's mother. | |||
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I have seen coyote with a dead weight of 53,57 and 63 lb....all taken in NY state...in a friends game freezer....they are larger in the east. | |||
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Looks like CEB will be producing a BBW#13 and NonCon bullets in .224 diameter around 60gr. These will drop any coyote that ever walked the planet! I have request a lighter bullet for my Hornet say 40gr solid with a somewhat lighter NonCon. Both the lighter bullets would be awesome in my Fireball as well! We Band of Bubbas N.R.A Life Member TDR Cummins Power All The Way Certified member of the Whompers Club | |||
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 JUST A TYPICAL WHITE GUY BITTERLY CLINGING TO GUNS AND RELIGION Definition of HOPLOPHOBIA "I'm the guy that originally wrote the 'assault weapons' ban." --- Former Vice President Joe Biden | |||
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104 pound coyote JUST A TYPICAL WHITE GUY BITTERLY CLINGING TO GUNS AND RELIGION Definition of HOPLOPHOBIA "I'm the guy that originally wrote the 'assault weapons' ban." --- Former Vice President Joe Biden | |||
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The 104 pound "coyote" looks like he has a little Husky in him.  ______________________________ "Truth is the daughter of time." Francis Bacon | |||
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On a similar but slightly different question. Is a 22-250 sufficient for Gray Wolf? They were recently opened to hunting again in my state and the season begins Aug. 30. I have either a .270 or a 22-250 for rifles. In the 22-250 I am using 55gr Hornady Vmax bullets. | |||
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Dpollard, My son used the 60gr Vmax @3,700+fps out of his 223wssm for coyotes for 2 years, with some spectacular splash wounds. He switched to the Nosler 60gr Btip last year. For wolf, I'd be leary of the Vmax, preferring a softpoint/Btip/TSX instead. | |||
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k-22, thank you for the input. I am still fairly new to reloading and am wondering why you suggest the bullets you did over the VMAX? Does the VMAX not get as good of penetration? It does some pretty spectacular damage to coyotes I am told so perhaps it is too frangible? | |||
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We found the Vmax to be too frangible for our use at such high velocities. I would think you would want to save the fur on a wolf. I've found a softpoint to work very well for that, usually with good penetration. The best bullet I've used for penetration and little fur damage has been Barnes XLC/TSX. | |||
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The first documented case of coyotes stalking and killing an adult human happened a short while ago in the northeast somewhere. Coyote researchers find grey wolf DNA in virtually all eastern coyotes tested and they think it has altered their behavior to be more aggressive. One more good reason to kill every one you can. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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My guess would be at those distances the .221 would get'er done and put stuff on the ground. Perhaps even moving to a 35 grain bullet would increase the speed even more. I shot a coyote out deer hunting this past fall that was stalking a covey of quail in a freshly mowed hay field. He was so intent on his stalk that he did not see nor hear me. I shot him at about 70 yards with a .223 40 grain Nosler Balistic tip at around 3900fps and he was DRT. Earlier in the day I had seen him in another hay field and the first thought was that he was a farm dog but putting the spotting scope on him proved out to be a coyote with a very white face and chest area. When I walked over to look at him it was clear that he was a cross breed coyote somewhere up the ancestral chain. His body was blocky yet his back and head had those very pointed features of the Coyote. My guess is that he was close to 45-50 pounds. | |||
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Yes! I wouldn't hesitate. I used a 14" Contender in .223 with 50gr Hornady sx and dropped coyotes out to 135 yards with it. DPollard- I think you can use the .22-250 but would choose a bit stiffer bullet than you'd use for fur or rodents for sure. A lot would be determined by the twist rate of your barrel. My .22-250 shoots shorter bullets better so my choice may be different than yours might be. The Barnes TSX would be a good one, but all soft-points are not created equal. A wolf isn't small, so consider this. What bullet would you choose for the .22-250 for Antelope? I wouldn't be afraid to use a .270 with heavier bullets either. A good taxidermist can hide a hole. We had a friend shoot a bobcat with a 150gr Nosler Partition out of a .270 and the hole was about 3/8" on exit. -Nate | |||
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It happened last year to a female jogger in Ontario, Canada. A search will give you the story. Member: Orange Gunsite Family, NRA--Life, Varmint Hunters' Assn., ARTCA, and American Legion. "An armed society is a polite society" --Robert Heinlein via Col. Jeff Cooper, USMC Caveat Emptor: Don't trust *Cavery Grips* from Clayton, NC. He is a ripoff. | |||
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If it's the same story that I have in mind, it happened in one of the Maritime provinces (New Brunswick comes to mind). Apparently it was only two coyotes, and they were typical in size, not monsters. Of course coyotes don't attain 100 pounds, just like people don't ever reach 500 pounds or 7 feet in height...except for the ones that do. I have a co-worker who is 6 feet 11.5 inches tall. He is the only person I have ever met or actually seen who is this tall, and I have seen many tens of thousands of people. I've shot probably 140 or 150 coyotes in my life, and have probably seen 4 or 5 times that number. I have shot one that weighed just over 56 pounds. Surely there are some few that are larger, much larger, than that? But, how many would a person need to see to be lucky enough to spot one of these giant freaks? | |||
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The lady killed by the coyotes was a approx. 19 year old singer on a nature trail . They identified 4 yotes that where involved by picture and gut content (all were killed). It was a swift and violent deaf for the young girl as others heard it happening. This is according to the news story and a coyote authority's investation.One can find the news story and the special program that was done on the event. | |||
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