20 April 2003, 05:35
PredatorMaster223New Varmint Gun question...
Im plannin on takin up the sport of varmint huntin and heres what I have the most intrest in...
* Remington 700 ADL Synthetic .223 w/ a 24" matte finish barrel.
* Ruger M77 Ultra Lightweight 20" blued barrel, american walnut stock in .243 incase I wanna deer hunt with it.
* Ruger M77 MK II Standard , american walnut stock, 22" blued barrel .223.
If I get a remington Ill be shootin Federal Gold Medal target grade ammo because remington is the best [Big Grin] I only considered a ruger because I have 2 remingtons now. And the shots I'll be takin will be 250 yards and under.
I know the feeding system on a ruger is better because its a mauser action and has the control feed bolt like winchesters.
21 April 2003, 02:49
rickt300I bought a Remington ADL in 223 a couple of months ago, with a little trigger adjusting and cleaning up the bedding the rifle shoots into 3/4ths of an inch or less with most bullets. A good shot shouldn't have any trouble taking deer with the 223 either. If you reload Winchester 748 is a good powder and my favorite bullets are the 52-53 grain HP's from Speer, Hornady and Sierra. My deer bullet is the Hornady 60 grain HP or SP pushed to 3000 fps and keep shots under 150 yards, hit em in the ribs and he's yours.
21 April 2003, 15:47
groundhog devastationYou want to get a varmint gun that shoots accurately and at least cost!! Get yourself the Remington ADL Synthetic!! I have yet to find one IN ANY CALIBER!!!! 223-30-06 that wouldn't shoot MOA or less at 100 yards! If it doesn't shoot to suit you then you still have a 700 action to build off of! GHD
22 April 2003, 12:50
beemanbemeremington in .223. ammo is so cheap you can't hardly justify reloading except for the added smigen of accuracy and the self satisfaction of rolling your own.
The .243 is too big for a varmint gun and is a shitty deer calibre.
22 April 2003, 13:21
Cold BoreHere's one more for the M700 in 223. Shoot that Federal stuff through it (not the 69 grainers though, may not stabilize), and you'll be plenty happy.
As for the Ruger being CRF, look carefully. Not all are, even though they have the same extractor.
23 April 2003, 16:40
cwendas far as feeding system being better, that would depend on what you consider better. the mauser 'controlled feed' can be more reliable, and that is why it is used almost exclusively on big game and hunting guns. as far as accuracy (and with varmints, that is the name of the game), it is not the preferred choice generally. i dont think ive ever seen a benchrest rifle built on a mauser styly bolt, nor are most target rifles. the reason is that the control feed extractor puts additional pressure on that side of the case, which is a detriment to accuracy. that is why most target style guns are built on remington or push feed bolts.
My 7.82x51 bench rifle is built on a commercial Mauser action(post war) and it shoots way better than I do. derF
Opps,pardon me,I should know better than to try to type with the wrong glasses on. I meant 7.62x51. The reason for that chambering was to allow me to use a variety of Mil-Surp rounds as well as 308. derF
27 April 2003, 22:47
mr.bigI thought you wound up with a Swift?
28 April 2003, 01:33
Prairie Dog DundeeOf your listings I would take the Remington. I personally avoid Ruger because of a poor history with them. However, you may want to consider the CZ Varminter with the HS stock. It has a controlled feed, a detachable five round magazine and a single set trigger. I own two CZ 223s and both are sub MOA with good ammo. One thing to consider. With the controlled feed the ammo must be chambered from the magazine. Some varminters shoot single shot style by just dropping a round in and closing the bolt. This can not be done with a controled feed.