After reading the latest posts I tracked down the object of all the entertainment, what an idiot!
Brings me back to the topic of this thread. I notice the ones over there throwing all the stones have never shot the round they are busy deriding. Their way to cool for that!
That clown goes out of his way to prove the point a guy proves his ignorance in his contempt for something prior to any investigation of it. " I ain't shot it it, but I know a lot more about it then those of you who have"!
These guys are everywhere, I wonder if he's related to the guy I met in the gun store? At least that mutton-head was leaving the area, I fear the other mutton-head shares residency with VarmintGuy and I!

I couldn't stand the stress! I just had to take a parting shot over there , I'm sure it'll fall on deaf ears.

The guy may or may not have the little vermin in his backyard; proving or disproving that gets annoying. I've shot enough of them that I'm pretty damn sure what size they are, period.



I'm not the biggest fan of the .204 Ruger just yet. Nothing 'wrong' with it, just disillusioned w/ some of the hype. Pretty happy w/ my .223 Rem bolt guns and AR's still, and the 'limiting' factor in the bolt gun I had the most time behind wasn't the caliber, it was the fixed 10X scope. Shots beyond 300yds got awfully hard to spot the impact to correct. Figured it amounted to a built-in 'max range enforcer' since everyone told me a .223 was a 200-250yd caliber maximum





Monte

montdoug, I had to give one last little prod over there too! Check it out! And remember it was tongue in cheek (However the XP is a hoot!!!!) with some degree of seriousness mixed in!!! GHD

I just dropped in to see what Seafire had to say and as he said,this has been entertaining and informative. It can be fun to puncture egos and windbags can it not! derf

Its a common fallacy in "gross indebtedness is a competitive sport" America today: If it cost more, its got to be better.

Can't compete with these stories!!!

I get pretty annoyed too with the guys who know more than me about everything. It's fun to screw with thier heads! I have a guy that comes to my work as a consultant to the owners that has done more in his lifetime than several men put together! I can talk about scuba diving and he's gone deeper, fought off sharks, spearfished more and been is hairier situations than an entire SEAL team! I talk about backpacking into a wilderness area to hunt and he can not only tell me what to bring but how I should be doing it. He's an expert marksman, ( admitted to being a little rusty) and has bestoed on me wisdom about doping the wind when making 1000yd shots with a service rifle. The recounting of his wisdom would take volumes.

When this plump little man with so much experience in activities that require such acts of exertion comes now I simply pick a topic that I can get him started on and then leave him with someone else!
It's a mean trick I know, but it makes me laugh! Yesterday it was computer graphics with data collection! I don't know jack about it but once he brought it up all I had to do was suggest he implement his ideas and get some tag #'s. When I walked out of the room the guy was getting into some long dissertation about crap nobody wanted to hear! Last month was elk hunting, he even told me where to go because some years back he'd seen some while driving through so the area must have been over populated with them.

At least I can laugh about it later, the pain is tough to take while he's here.

BigNate, You is a evil bastige! I love it!!!
By the way, I think I know this guy, if he ain't done it he's got a story about his cousin who did!
His .300 Mag shoots "plum flat out to 500 yards"!

Hornet Fan,

Good for you Guy.

It is great to see common sense people out there.
As Beeman pointed out below, what happened in this country when your ability was reflected on the price of what you can afford.

If a 243 with a Cheap Tasco scope would not work on a deer, then there would be a lot more deer roaming the forests of America.

Wonder what $7.50 an hour Sales Clerk carried on his hunting rifle. If he does have a Swarofski, which I doubt, you know he did not pay no $800.00 for it. At $7.50 an hour, let see after taxes, that should be a months pay. Does anyone think Mr. Sales Counter Zero will spend a months worth of pay on a scope? So why does he pull that crap on others?

Bozo must have been on commission probably.

Personally I would take 4 Leupolds at $200.00 over an $800.00 Swarofski anyday. That Swarofski is not going to give me anything the Leupold is not going to give me personally.

One for the Underdogs
Cheers
seafire

Go Doug Go!



After reading this thread, this is one of the best threads I have read in here in a long time.



Well said responses from a lot of guys who I really look forward to their wisdom, and this thread did not disappoint me.



Great post Doug!





Well SAID!

cheers

seafire

I can see in the future, a montdoug, Varmint Guy, GHD, varmint hunt!!! There will be no lies told as there will be 2 other witnesses!!! We'll shoot them "flat to 500 yard" guns!!!! And the ones that wind doesn't affect!!! Should be a real hoot! Then we'll write up the trilogy of how it happened!!! GHD

Sounds fun GHD.
I hope at least one of us has a license for the shoulder fired lasers we'll need to pull it off. But I guarantee if you come up with one we'll shoot the damn thing.
"Prarie Dog fricassee at 500 yards", to hell with the elements!
I bettin this one'll make it into the mainstream publications!
Think anybody'll believe us?

BigNate:

That was too funny!

I thought that I would just bring this back up for those who forgot. This is one of the best threads I have seen in a while.slygunner

slygunner, You didn't bring it back to life because of any discussions about the .204 and wind drift that have occurred in the last couple days did you? I have no idea as to what that guy is trying to get across but it didn't work!!! But you can go to his "reloading pages" and get all his infinite wisdom if you want!!! GHD

GHD,
I noticed that he had a little data on the 204 but nothing of any value. Were did he get all those BS number and ideas... Oh yea his website with all the outdated ballistic calculators(thats why there are free or someone would want some money for them). Trying to tell someone what they did and didn't do and what they can and can't do really makes that individual like an arrogant, ignorant ass. Thats just my opinion.

Was in a shop - guy was looking for a new rifle for a hunt out west (elk) - I could tell he hadn't used anything other than 12 ga with slugs before in his life. Kid hands him a 7mm-08 and says (serious as a heart attack) Will knock an elk on its ass at 1000 yards, its a 7mm rem mag necked down to 30 caliber.

I busted out loud laughing and as the kid walks awyay - I "help" him out - he got a nice 30-06 - recoil no problem and definatly isn't gonna be laughed at like he would if he repeated what the kid said.

sly, And if you follow the "BS, I've been here and there, my experience, this is where I FU, but now I have learned".....introduction to the site, you will find his portrait!.....straight from M.A.D. magazine or SNL...I can't decide!!! GHD

GHD,
M.A.D. magazine...LMFAO

sly, Glad you saw the humor in that! Our regular varmint shooting time is about done till spring around here! We'll call a few foxes and hopefully a song dog or two between now and spring but the groundhogs are OFF LIMITS on my hunting grounds from now till Memorial Day!! If they made it till now, they're good and smart! Let them "reseed" with a batch of fresh targets for next year!! Remember guys, if you shoot an old sow pig n April(or even March or February during a warm spell) you just destroyed 4-8 perfectly good targets if you had waited till JUNE!!! Only shoot early targets on lands that don't afford "regular season" hunting! Or places unhunted before that the landowner says, "I WANT THEM KILLED OFF MY LAND!!!!" That's ok!! We all have to have a little of the "conservationist" in us!
So I guess I'll just have to do some extensive testing with the lowly, not worth a durn, .204 on paper over the winter! And maybe use some of the plastic 16oz. Miller Lite bottles(reactive targets when water filled) that measure 2.765" on the bottom X 8.270" tall.....his PD's are only 2"x6"?????? I know it's dry land in part of MT but that's awfully small dimensions!!!! Maybe they ought to think about supplemental feeding of the wildlife there!!! Kinda like the guys that pay $5.00 for 50 lbs of corn here to feed the deer!!! I think from his posts of the last couple days he has finally discredited his own self!!! I know I like the .204 and I like a lot of varmint calibers and the .204 has risen to a high pedastal in the heap of what I think is worthy of being called a "legitimate varmint rifle chambering. I've shot varmints a long ways off with a bunch of different stuff but my mission next year is a witnessed, measured, 500 yard kill with the 20 caliber!! My mission may be completed and improved upon from the get go! If I have a 700 yard challenge to open up the season, we'll try!! Scope will dial it! Now can I hold it!!!???? Crows will provide some overwinter practice with the little gun this winter! Hell, I just might shoot a "big varmint" up side the head with it at 3-400!!!! It will either be a clean kill or a clean miss!!! And since VA's game folks have decided that we don't have to take carcasses to the check station......"just dial the toll free number to register your kill".....who the hell is going to question the wound!!!????? THE VADGIF has screwed up!!!! (Va Dept.of Game and Inland Fisheries....VADGIF)There were a boo-koo of deer killed in the past that weren't checked in!! Now there will be more!!!! And then next year when the game kill totals are added up and the deer kill is down, they will cut back on the tags available!!! This year I have 6 deer tags on my license...3 either sex, 3 antlerless only!!!! Should be classified as VARMINTS for a year or two!!! Then deer huntin would be more like huntin!!! How the hell did get so far off subject? Must have been trying to make targets!!!(16oz plastic Miller bottles!!!) GHD

GHD,
I can say that the only 2"x6" praire dogs that I have seen are new borns. I wait to shoot them until they are a little bigger, you just get better acrobatics when they have a little more meat on them. Supplemental feeding...LMFAO, sure why not eveyones doin it. GHD, your humor has reminded me that 99.8% of the people on this forum are down to earth, the others are those that give the rest of us a bad name.slygunner

Slygunner, just keep in mind that according to science a bumblebee cannot fly, it is impossible. I sure hate to piss them off cause they're sure faster than I am. Guess it's kinda like a certain 20 cal, long as I don't know it can't do that I will keep doing it.LOL

Yesterday I had an experience that drives me bughouse! It pertained to sub .22 cal varminters (.204 Ruger) but the caliber is immaterial.

I was in a sporting goods store in Helena talking guns with the clerk as usual, I asked him how the sales had been on the .204's and if he'd had any reports from customers. A guy I'd never seen jumps in and said "I don't know what Ruger was thinking on that one, what a waste, ain't even close to a .22-250." As he'd jumped into our conversation we included him and discovered he was a tourist from Arizona and his favorite guns were older levers, large caliber bolt actions (serious case of magnumitis) and black powder revolvers.

I asked him if he'd ever shot a .204? "No". Ever seen a .204? "No". Know anybody who "has" shot a .204? "No". So I asked if he had a .22-250? "No". Had he "ever" shot a .22-250? "No". Had he ever hunted prairie dogs? "No". Varmints of any kind? " "Shot a jackrabbit once with a .30-30"! "Ah", now we're getting some where!

To make a long story short I politely extricated myself from his company and as I left I heard him assailing the clerk he'd cornered about how the actual Remington black powder revolver in the display case wasn't near as good as the Uberti---Blah-Blah-Blah!!!

My point here isn't to pick on Arizona tourists (I love Arizona, this guy however was a dork!) Nor to discuss the merits of the .204 compared to the .22-250 (both are great calibers). But to mention my disdain for "Armchair-gun mag experts", expounding on stuff they know absolutely nothing about! You see em at gun shows, sporting goods stores and read em on the web. They are the "Ain't never shot it, but I hate it any way." crowd.

With so many shooting discipline's and magnificent calibers out there why do some people feel compelled to pick several favorites and run down the rest? I just don't get it! As I've stated many times I'm proud to be an "Equal opportunity" gun lover, "I love em all"!!!

If one cartridge was perfect for everything we'd all only get one rifle!!! I get the willies just thinking about it!



It seems to me one displays his ignorance when he voices his contempt for something prior to his investigation of it!

There! Glad I got that off my chest, I feel a lot better now!

Mountdoug: Good for you getting that bit of life out in the air and off your chest!
I could not agree with you more!
The first fifty years of my life were spent bending over backwards - WAY over backwards sometimes - trying to tolerate and placate everyone no matter how outlandish their views or demeanors were!. I could re-tell stories and relay viewpoints, many hundreds of them, that were laid upon me in the past and that would humble your single Arizonan gone wiggy illustration!
Once I turned fifty, 7 years ago now, I no longer suffer fools in silence. 98% of the time I carefully and calmly relay a correction to their BS using facts, real figures and my experiences where applicable. But I have begun to relish the other 2% of the time when facts and real life hands on experiences fail and I take off and just light into said BS'ers and lambast them with reality, ridicule and scorn! I get a sense of reward somehow from putting an emphatic end to BS, mindless drivel and intentional contrariness! I don't get paid for it, it serves no great end and I have not been keeping track to see if my pointed efforts are having any lasting effect on said BS "experts"! I don't really care. If it makes me feel good and the BS artist is way out of line and my gentle persuasions and corrections don't work - I lay into them!
Now nowhere in my diatribe above do you see me denouncing anyone having an opinion different than mine. Opinions are one thing and I often marvel at how different peoples opinions can vary on the same Rifle, scope, bullet, powder, loading tool, value of an item, inherent accuracy, killing power, etc etc etc. I am talking about facts and figures and trajectory tables and reputations that have been earned over decades that are undeniable truths! Those type issues I won't back away from. I try to coerce and persuade with facts and when on those rare occassions when that fails I simply overwhelm said prevaricator with righteous ridicule!
Try it sometime Montdoug - it makes you feel good!
Love and varying opinions makes the world go round - but anymore BS and contrary for contraries sake gets under my skin quickly - REAL QUICKLY.
The sun just came out on the Tobacco Root mountain range and the sun is glistening off of the new snow on the peaks (its been cloudy here for 3 days!) and I think I will get my big Varmint Rifle (Rem. 700 Classic in 7mm Rem. Mag.) out and go big Varmint (Black Bear) Hunting this evening! Not even the most contrary of contraries can spoil this day!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

If you will notice, even among the folks that are knowledgable, few can simply state the good points of their choice(s) of weapons; but rather, can only describe their weapon in a context of belittling something else.