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Yes, use it for every rifle I own. Big game rifles are not as tight as varmint rifles (4 or 6 inches instead of 2.5) but it’s the same idea. | |||
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<slancey> |
So how does it work on the varmint guns? Do you have many shots where you "hold under" for the midrange trajectory? | ||
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Slancey, when these calculations are performed the size of the target is factored in to provide point blank ranging. It cannot be smaller than the scope centerline to the bore centerline distance, but it can be any size larger. You decide the target size you want the bullet to strike within and the trajectory calculator will determine how far out you can shoot with your sight on dead center and hit within that defined target area. Example: for a deer, you might enter 5" as your PBR target size. An elk might with be large, say 6.5" and would give you a PBR farther out due to the vertical spacing being higher. For a PD, you'll want to stay under 3" and ground squirrel, even less. The advantage is the ability to quickly engage your target if you know it is w/in the PBR distance for your rifle & round w/out cyphering drop ballistics. Your reloading manual uses 2.5" scope height as a generally used distance on hunting rifles. For running vermin the advantage is you only need to focus on windage & lead, and really, all you got to do is tag part of it to slow it down before finishing it off. Broadside, a fox or yote as a target is much more forgiving target on the horizontal axis (windage) because of the dog's length. The elevation axis is smaller, so using PBR can be a big advantage. PBR works w/ open sights too, and being mounted right on the barrel can PBR very small targets. The JBM (eskimo) site has a useful ballistic tool that should help you become more familiar with the ballistic track of your rifles JBM Small Arms Ballistic Calculator | |||
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Slancey, to sight your rifle, you do not need to find a target 290 yards away and hang paper. Use your regular 100 yard or 200 yard range target placement, aim dead center of target and adjust your sight so that the POI (point of impact) is the number of inches above the bullseye that your ballistic calculator specifies that bullet at that range (100 or 200) should be. You need to know bullet velocity (chrono strings) and BC (most calculators have this data in the form of a built in drop down menu) to give you accurate results. | |||
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I sight my .223 and .17 AH to be dead on at 100 yards, and learn the trajectory from that point. I've shot at a few PD's in my time, and with a 2" high at 100 zero I shot over so many of the little devils in any posture other than standing straight up. I generally use Burris scopes with the trajectory markers. Works for me. Shotgun | |||
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<slancey> |
I have sighted in for the max PBR, and I was afraid of shooting over too many shorter range dogs. But I'm going to try anyway and see if I can't get the hang of it in the field. | ||
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Yep, use that concept on all rifles I own except a little Mannlicher I use for dedicated hunting of miniature antelope and calling. It is zeroed at 100 yards dead-aim. | |||
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Shame on you Roll-Crimp! Suggesting one might need 2 shots to dispatch a varmint! | |||
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I'm sooo.... veryyy sorryyyeee. I'm a baad man. I'll try better at taking more shots. | |||
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Absolutley. For every rifle except a dedicated rifle for minature antelope on safari which is dead-nuts 100 meters. | |||
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I would recommend a 1" high at 100 yards with that rifle and then learning and plotting your trajectory out to say 400 yards. That load is fast enough to really shoot a rope at the most common ranges, I think. It always seems easy to shoot at the head of a standing varmint when it is a long shot than to shoot at the dirt at his feet on a short shot if he is at the mid range curve. | |||
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the concept is fine , but I think you will find 2.5 inch way to high......1 to maybe 1.5 inch @100 yards is enough.... | |||
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I myself prefer the, "Know thy rifle well" method. That means shooting it at the ranges you intend to shoot at stuff with it. There are computer programs that pretty much give you the data but until you pull the trigger on YOUR RIFLE at THOSE RANGES it is at best, a "darn sure close approximation" of reality! GHD Groundhog Devastation(GHD) | |||
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Amen Brother... Also, 2 1/2" high at 100 yards is exactly 1" too high for me. However, YMMV.. Don | |||
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Use MPR sighting on my Rifles that I walk/ride with. My varminters are set up with Mil-Dot scopes now, for quick estimations of range. But in general I use a laser range- finder and the dial in, much more effective than when I used to set them up for 100 zero and " learn" the trajectory. DuggaBoye-O NRA-Life Whittington-Life TSRA-Life DRSS DSC HSC SCI | |||
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The bore to scope CL distance on my CZ223 is 1.62" but I do my PBR calculations for ground hogs using +/- 3/4" from line of sight. For the 40g Nosler BT as I load it the PBR is 27 yards to 206 yards. The 27 yard number is determined by the bore to scope centerline distance and is the range where the bullet comes up into the 3/4" band. The 206 number is based on bullet ballistics and MV as usual. I've never found the near limit to be an issue, so I'd say use what ever distance from the line of sight suits the target regardless of bore to centerline distance, then just be aware of the short range limit. Fitch | |||
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Slancey, I always use this MPBR method for zero. Then in the field, with a rangefinder, if the PD's are some under the MPBR zero I aim at their feet if they are much beyond the zero I aim at their heads. I generally do not shoot much beyond 450yds, though. Just have not needed to! Les | |||
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I also use it--calcd' for 3/4ths target size at the most. It would be more accurately referred to as CMPBR--C=Conservative. Steve | |||
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2" high at 100 yards. The bunch I shoot with, if you shoot at a 100 yard Pdog, they make you walk back to town, and they call you "chip shot" for the rest of the trip. | |||
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<slancey> |
Just back from a South Dakota prairie dog shoot using the MPBR method. Actually, it was a little more frustrating than I expected. We were shooting over a lot of dogs in the intermediate ranges. The "hold under" factor was too great. I was not using a rangefinder, so that made it more challenging. I'll likely go back to the 200 yard zero and just hold over for the longer ones. Probably add a rangefinder as well. | ||
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