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After you shoot, do you stay at that setup or do you move on to another location ??? Warning: Trespassers will be shot.......survivors will be shot again........... | ||
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it depends on how long you have sat there,if a coyote shows up after 20-30 min. of calling,chances are, thats the only one in the area that can hear you,if you call in one in less than 5 min.and shoot it,keep calling for another 15-20 min.,you never know if another dog might come in from a different direction | |||
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Mailmanmark, I'll assume you are speaking of coyotes and fox for now. Unless you are sure that you scared every living thing away after the shot I'd recommend sticking around for at least a little while. Too many chances that there are others around, especially during the breeding season. You'll hear many stories of hunters keeping on the call after a shot only to get second and subsequent shots at other animals. The coyote and fox pup in distress are a couple of calls that can be used to keep the attention and attract them back in. The two most basic rules of varmint hunting is that you need to be where they are and you need to be out there to see them. Good luck. . "Listen more than you speak, and you will hear more stupid things than you say." | |||
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I don't know about being a varmint hunting guru, but I've shot a few. Here is an example of what is possible. I called in six different fox in approx. 35 minutes, all came in separately, shot 4, missed one and one I did not get a shot. I have shot numerous doubles. I always hang around at least 15 minutes after I shoot unless its time to pack up and head back to the hacienda. GWB ![]() | |||
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For me it always depends, of course.. As was mentioned part of what it depends upon is if it is early in the call that I take the first one. Then it also depends on the calling pressure in the area, if I feel that I am in an area that has been hit recentlly I won't stay around very long after a shot. Reason being that coyotes that are call shy to begin with tend to not come in after they hear a bang. And it also depends upon how much good calling I have in front of me, if I am in a good area with lots of new fresh stands ahead of me I will usually move on after a shot. And then it also depends upon how clean I got into an area. Which is kind of hard to explain, but imagine that you take any stand and section into wedges in your mind like cutting up a pie. Now for instance your ingress either throgh your vehicle, or your walking to your stand has polluted or exposed you to any coyotes in that wedge, and then there is something else such as a river that limits the chances of a coyote being in the next wedge. And then your scent is blowing down through the next wedge and exposing you there also. And so you are left with just a couple areas left that you feel are possibles. Now if when you start calling you bring one in out of those areas and you shoot, it greatly limits the chances of bringing another in, not that you can't but the odds are not good, and if you have clean stands to go on to I would. Now on the other hand if you have slipped in with the wind in your face, and there is a great deal of country and coyote looking brush or draws in front and to either side that you feel you have not been exposed to either by sight, noise or smell then your odds go up greatly and sticking around might pay off. Oh, and time of year makes a BIG difference, if you are bringing young dumb coyotes in then yes a shot will not make that much difference to them, at least not near as much as to older wiser dogs. So for me at least there are several different factors that I weigh in my mind as to how long I will stick around after a shot, or if I will at all. One little trick that does seem to work right after a shot to increase the chances are to blow a scolded pup sound immediately after a shot. For some reason that seems to help the odds, I am not sure why actually except that perhaps it takes their mind off the bang sound and triggers another instinct in their mind. But I do know that if I am going to stick around I get on the sound immediately after a shot, like within seconds and hope that they kind of forget about the bang. And decoys help a lot as well. Damn I better stop before I write a darn book here. But the best thing I can tell you is to try it, you will learn how to feel a stand, and soon you can tell more about how you want to play it. (When I was a kid my father used to tell me that God hated a coward, I finally realized he has even less use for a fool.) | |||
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If it's gophers or Pdogs I stay as long as the shooting is good. Once I start having to really search for a target. Then I move to a more advantageous local. This weekend I plan on some coyote hunting so I will let you know what I did then. Doesn't mean it's right, it's just what is working then and there. "I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." -- General George S. Patton | |||
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Geedubya - I need to find a place crawling with fox like you have there - looks like a fox gold mine! Good shootin' . "Listen more than you speak, and you will hear more stupid things than you say." | |||
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erict, This lease is about 23 miles south of Garner State Park, near Reagan Wells. Not that many coyote or bobcats, but it is crawling with coons, fox and hogs. I can take at least one fox almost any time I go out, as long as I pay attention to my set ups and don't get careless. I've even heard one mountain lion but have not seen him. To me, that would be the ulitmate, to call in a cat like that. Good luck and good huntin'. GWB | |||
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GW, I like that rifle... can you spare a few details on it? Model 7 predator? Life Member: The American Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Jan 20, 2009.. Prisoner in Dumocrat 'Occupied America', Partisan in the 'Save America' Underground Beavis..... James Beavis..... Of Her Majesty's Secret Service..... Spell Check Division "Posterity — you will never know how much it has cost my generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it." John Quincy Adams A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him "Why do you carry a 45?" The Ranger responded, "Because they don't make a 46." Duhboy....Nuttier than Squirrel Poop... | |||
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Seafire, I am on my way out of town for the weekend so I can't stop for too long, be back Monday. I saw your post. Here is a copy of a post I made last year concerning the 17 fireball and the rem model 7 predator. If you do an advanced search using "geedubya" as the author and the words "remington model 7 predator", from last year you can see the posts in which I referenced this rifle. I have enjoyed it immensely. It has become my go to "calling rifle" The one negative is that if you are not careful when you cycle the bolt, it sometimes misfeeds. I think this is due to the action length versus the cartridge length. GWB Here is one post on the 17 rem. fireball I love small calibers and have been shooting the seventeens for years. Back when virgin valley firearms was in business I had them make barrels for my contenders in 17 ackley hornet, and 17 mach IV. Both had 22" barrels that were light, fast and accurate. Two drawbacks,--single shot and with the original contender you have to open the action if you let the hammer down on an unfired round before you could re-cock the trigger. For the last couple of years I've had the craving for a repeater in 17 mach IV. I have my share of heavy barreled varmint rifles and recently , I have been doing much more game calling and "walking varminting". Most of my shots are 100 yds and under. I wanted a light rifle that would have a 22" barrel and a synthetic stock and a repeater. I would mount a 2 x 7 up to a 3 x 9 scope. . To my mind the mach IV with a 20 gr. bullet at 3800 to 4000 fps is a great varmint round. Remington must have been reading my mind because they came out with their model 7 predator in 17 fireball. I couldn't resist. I have 17 fireball dies and brass on order, but I do not have them in my possession yet. However, I do have 17 mach IV brass, dies and a number of loaded rounds using 25 gr. Hornady hollow points over 15.8 and 15.9 grains of H-4198. Being the impatient type, couldn't wait to shoot the rifle and do some load testing. I mounted a scope and went to the range. I used some of these loaded rounds to zero the scope and to fireform some brass in the 17 fireball chamber. My first outing was somewhat disappointing. Velocity was sup-par and groups were over an inch. Needless to say, I was bummed. I went home and took the rifle out of the stock and worked on the stock to free float the barrel. I also dug out some of my old Small Caliber News mags. I had forgotten about using Reloader 10x, so I loaded up some 18 gr. Bergers ,some 20 gr. V-maxes and some 25 gr hornady hollowpoints, all over several different load densities of reloader 10x. Loads ranged from 17 grains to 18.3 grains. One fellow reported loading 19 grains, but I wanted to be conservative to start with. I fired a total of 37 rounds, 4 shots to zero and then fired 11 three shot groups. I cleaned the barrel before this second outing. I figured the 4 shots I took to zero the scope would sufficiently foul the barrel. I did not clean between the first and eleventh group. Observations: Although I am a blue steel and wood guy, I like the camo barrel and synthetic stock on this little rifle. The new x-mark pro trigger breaks crisply at 3.5 lbs. After free floating the barrel, groups were tighter and more consistant. +/ 3950 fps out of a 22 inch barrel and no pressure signs, and room to spare in the case. A velocity over 4000 fps should be attainable without pressure signs. These groups were shot in a cross wind 10 mph+ At 100 yds. and under, wind shouldn't be a factor unless you're shooting in a hurricane. The 18 and 20 gr bullets shot the better groups The bullets were loaded to the same seating depth, and the 18 gr bergers at 1.720 oal shot just as good if not better than the 20 gr. V-maxes(the longest bullet overall) at 1.800 oal. The first group (25 gr hdy h.p., 17 gr rl-10x) and last group were both sub inch. Chances are I can get off more rounds in a day than I'll shoot before accuracy is degraded. The following pix are of the model 7 predator and the 11 different groups using reloader 10-x. GWB ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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