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Actually found these listed in my load notebook for the 338/06 from last Elk Season and Playing with loads at the range. Rifle: Winchester Model 70, 24 inch barrel Leupold 2 x7 Shotgun Scope 225 Grain Hornady, Winchester 30/06 brass necked up, Fed 210 Primers RL 15/ 56 grs; 2712 & 2712 again. RL 15/ 57 grs: 2743, 2750 H380/ 65 grs: 2826, 2834 IMR 4320/ 56 grs: 2628, 2679 RL 19/ 67 grs: 2763, 2803 H414/ 62.5 grs: 2687, 2656 275 gr Speer : Why did they quit making such a darn good bullet? Because I decided to start using it! H 380/ 60 grains: 2466 215 Grain Sierra: H380/63 grains: 2871, 2879 And for the few guys like me who like the OLD stuff such as the old 33 Winchester; ( just load the '06 case like the old 33 winchester speeds) Hornady 200 gr Flat Nose: H4895/ 45 grains: 2265, 2250 H380/ 52.5 grains: 2436 fps. As you can see I have had great results in velocity with H380. accuracy is all one can ask for in my rifle. The barrel was done by Bob West of Eugene Oregon. Mr West is now retired but he is one of two guys left alive that worked under Parker Ackley. My rifle was sitting there in between rifles he was doing for Hank Williams Jr. and Tom Selleck, so I felt a little notoriety. At least my rifle got to rub shoulders with the stars ( or their rifles) which is a lot more than its owner will ever get to do. The rifle was also purchased at the AXEMAN in Missoula Montana. Got to have a rifle "from" Montana if you want to have a real ELK Rifle! ![[Cool]](images/icons/cool.gif){kind=icon} | ||
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Sea, is your .338-06 a std. chamber or improved? I can only get 54gr of RL15 under a 210grNP in mine. My working load is 53 1/2gr RL15/210grNp for about 2750fps form my 22 1/2"bbl. What kind of accuracy are you getting w/ H380? I may have to give it a try. | |||
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Fred, I am getting great accuracy out of the H380. it is my powder of choice in the old gal. Mine is a standard chamber. The 225 grain Hornady's are seated to the cannelure, so with the 57 grains in there, it is compressed but seems to give no compressing hassles on the Rockchucker at the loading bench. A friend has a rebarreled Ruger by Chick Donnely in an Improved chamber. He gets close to the same velocity I do with the same powders. He wanted to try the H380 loads I got, but I have not talked to him about it since Elk season. Funny this past year I went Elk hunting up by Crater Lake with a group of guys the friend from the Range knew. Out of 6 of us, 3 were carrying 338/06. Chick Donnelly was part of the group. He is the last guy still making barrels that actually worked under Parker Ackley. I thought it was interesting a man with his experience and the ability to carry or make anything he cared to hunt with, what he would be packing. Plain old 30/06. I love my good old 338/06 as I always wanted one wildcat and that was the choice. Of course if it had already been factory spec'd I still would have had one. With 4000 fps at the muzzle possible, in a '06 case. Have you checked out the Weatherby UltraLight in 338/06. Not usually a Weatherby guy, ( just not my flavor, but never knock one who carries one if he knows how to use it) but I see that rifle in my future. At 1100 bucks will have to save up or get rid of a few rifles, ( which I need to do anyway, but it is so hard to get rid of rifles that you bought because you liked them so much, not that you needed another). Let me know how it goes for you!! ![[Razz]](images/icons/tongue.gif){kind=icon} | |||
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seafire, quote:Really. Well, it just so happens we have a couple of places where you can get a REAL elk rifle ourselves up here in the north country. http://www.rockymountainrifles.com/ And while you're up here drooling over a REAL elk rifle, you can drink some REAL beer. ![[Big Grin]](images/icons/grin.gif){kind=icon} [ 06-02-2003, 20:52: Message edited by: savage49494 ] | |||
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I'll have to give H380 a try. I have been happy w/ RL15 but I'm always open for something a bit better. Yes, I too love hunting w/ my .338-06. Some guys say just load your .338WM down, but I like the weight of the rifle & it doesn't beat me up on the bench even if I shoot 30-40 rounds. Frank N. who posts here, has a Wby. UL in .280AI I think. He really likes it. He is also a .338-06 guy. [ 06-02-2003, 23:00: Message edited by: fredj338 ] | |||
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Great group here. My 338-06 I can only get 54 gr of RL 15 with Sierra 215 before things start get to warm. I'm looking forward to trying H380 when I get a chance.Varget is another good powder in this bracket. I load 56 gr in Lapua 30-06 brass w/ CCI200 primers for 2750 with Nosler 210 Partitions. Speer 200 gr and 55 gr of IMR 4064 are a good combo also in my rifle. Just start 10% below and work up. | |||
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Savage : You must be a Canuck! Not short sheeting Canada at all. I love your country and hate your present Government. Cretien is an idiot. However you can counter that we had Bill Clinton and Hilary is still a friggin problem. I spent two years working for a Canadian firm, and got to know a lot more about Canada than I already knew. And compared to most Americans I knew a lot about Canada. No question about what a great place Canada is, and how great the people are ( At least the English speaking ones). Of course my Canadian friends always use to love to tell me the same joke 10,000 times: 3 guys go into a restaurant and there is only one table left, so they agree to share it. The waitress asks what they would like to drink with their meal. The first guy, says " Well I am a regional manager for Anheiser Busch so I would love a Bud!" The second guy says " Small world, I am a manager for Coors, so give me a Silver Bullet please" The third guy turns out to be a regional manager for Molsons' and is down from Canada. " He says I will just have a diet Pepsi please" The waitress is a little surprised and says " We do stock Molson's Canadian Here Sir, along with Molson's Export!" "Naw" he says, " the other two guys aren't drinking any alcohol, so neither should I" Have a good day EH? | |||
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Rob1SG, have your chamber reamed out a little so you can seat your bullet a little farther out, and that should do the trick for adding a little more velocity. that is what i did to mine. Loaded up a dummy round to fit the magazine flush and full and took it to the gunsmith and said make it fit this thing! | |||
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seafire, quote:You just made my day. That cracks me up every time I look at it. | |||
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Molson? ![[Confused]](images/icons/confused.gif){kind=icon} Real beer?? ![[Roll Eyes]](images/icons/rolleyes.gif){kind=icon} Give me a Sierra Nevada! | |||
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Rob1SG: Thought about that a little, and if using Lapua brass, you only get 54 grains of RL 15. I pretty much use Winchester 30/06 brass, or Remington's 30/06 Nickel brass for mine. I can get more than the 54 grains in it before things heat up. Either your brass or a tight chamber or both. | |||
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Seafire, Looks like if Fred338 and I both can put 54gr of RL 15 then your chamber is a tad large.I don't know what type of brass Fred is using but it seems a lot to expect a gain of 3 or 4 gr of powder just by changing brass. | |||
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Rob, When I have a rifle rebarreled, I do seat a bullet in a dummy round that will take full advantage of the magazine length and then take it to the gun smith and tell him to chamber it to fit this., and give him the dummy round. And are you gentlemen compressing your loads and only getting 54 grains in the case? | |||
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Everybody's rifles are different, especially in a "wildcat" chambering. I have used WW, Rem, Fed. match & I max. out @ 54gr RL15 under a 210grNP. Even then I have to shoot that load in the winter. My working load is 53 1/2gr & is good in any of the above mentioned brass. I also use Fed. LRmatch primers as they seem to be a bit more consistant as my bench groups are a bit smaller. I think Sea's longer throat is probably the reason he uses more powder for about the same vel. as I get. [ 06-05-2003, 23:36: Message edited by: fredj338 ] | |||
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I also have a .338-06 ( Improved )that Bob West Chambered. The late Larry Brace had my action, an older Sako, and Installed the Kreiger barrel on it and then got sick and passed on. Larry was an amazing rifle maker. Bob stops in the local gun shop, (Mazamas), most Saturdays when he's feeling good. When Mr. West talks, we all shut up and listen. He's forgotten more than most the rest of us will ever know! He's built a few rifles for me in the past, and I have a few now that he has done work on. Not many left like Ol' Bob. He's into his nineties now as he just had a birthday party at the shop a month or so ago. Anyway, hold onto that West rifle, as the value will surely go up. Good shootin' | |||
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Hell, I had to settle on 52.0 grains of RL15 in mine using the same winchester .30-06 brass necked up and the Hornady 225's. I made it up to 53.5 but the primers were starting to tell me bad things. The most accurate load I used with the same bullets was with AA2230C but velocity wasn't as good.  Aut vincere aut mori | |||
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Welcome to the forum Mr Wright... Glad to hear that Bob West is still around... He was one heck of an interesting guy to speak with, and always acted like you were someone important, when he did so... It was both an honor and a pleasure to meet him... and I also see you revived a thread that we had discussed 4 1/2 years ago.. when I had another handle here on AR... That 338/06 is still a great shooter, and doesn't have many miles on it...altho the stock has taken some bumps in the field.. but that is easily repaired as I need to refinish it anyway.. it is a laminated stock from Boyds... Life Member: The American Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Jan 20, 2009.. Prisoner in Dumocrat 'Occupied America', Partisan in the 'Save America' Underground Beavis..... James Beavis..... Of Her Majesty's Secret Service..... Spell Check Division "Posterity — you will never know how much it has cost my generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it." John Quincy Adams A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him "Why do you carry a 45?" The Ranger responded, "Because they don't make a 46." Duhboy....Nuttier than Squirrel Poop... | |||
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Update: Bob West past away about a week ago. I believe he was 92. Myself and a few other gun cranks met up with him about every Saturday morning for coffee and tall tales in the gun shop for a few hours. He will be missed by all of us here in Eugene Oregon. His rifles will live on. | |||
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Mr. Wright.. Thanks for that update.. he was definitely a lost breed, that's for sure! Guess Chick Donnelly down here is the last of Parker Ackley's apprentises still with us... and he sold most of his stuff and the name to an outfit in Arizona just last year... He has a young man who is training under him, or at least did a few years ago named Randy, that Chick felt had a lot of promise... I lost my father in law, this past Sunday night whom was 82.... 2008 is starting out, taking a lot of good and learned men, whom were gentlemen, to live in the house of the Lord... May they both rest in peace, and their souls dwell in the house of the Lord... I was an honor to have been able to meet him.... Did you ever know that P.O. Ackley's first shop was in Roseburg? Life Member: The American Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Jan 20, 2009.. Prisoner in Dumocrat 'Occupied America', Partisan in the 'Save America' Underground Beavis..... James Beavis..... Of Her Majesty's Secret Service..... Spell Check Division "Posterity — you will never know how much it has cost my generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it." John Quincy Adams A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him "Why do you carry a 45?" The Ranger responded, "Because they don't make a 46." Duhboy....Nuttier than Squirrel Poop... | |||
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The first powder used in my 338-06 was H 380 and 250 gr. spitzer bullets that just ripped lil ragged 1 holers in the target at 100 yds.,No need to look further I reckon........ | |||
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Whowwwie ... you guys are running hotter than I seem to be able to go! My first loading of the 338-06 with 225 gr Hornadys was only 51 gr of RL-15 using R-P 30-06 brass necked up with CCI 200 primers. Haven't chrono'd the load, but it is just starting to show pressure sign. Mike -------------- DRSS, Womper's Club, NRA Life Member/Charter Member NRA Golden Eagles ... Knifemaker, http://www.mstarling.com | |||
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