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Originally posted by Norseman:
Can anybody guess how many mares he sired?

Somebody is making fat cash pimping this stallion. I thought horse racing had all the glory but there is still money in pro-rodeo and working horses.

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Originally posted by RichardAustin:

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Originally posted by Norseman:
Can anybody guess how many mares he sired?

Somebody is making fat cash pimping this stallion. I thought horse racing had all the glory but there is still money in pro-rodeo and working horses.

I must have missed it, what is their produce record/money earners produced?

I noticed you've become suddenly considerate, I'll repost my questions to you here where you'll feel at liberty to answer.

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Originally posted by Norseman:
Can anybody guess how many mares he sired?

Somebody is making fat cash pimping this stallion. I thought horse racing had all the glory but there is still money in pro-rodeo and working horses.

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Originally posted by RichardAustin:
You must have missed this JW, obviously Noresman knows something:

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Originally posted by Norseman:
Can anybody guess how many mares he sired?

Somebody is making fat cash pimping this stallion. I thought horse racing had all the glory but there is still money in pro-rodeo and working horses.

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Bailey

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Originally posted by Norseman:
Leo Hancock Hayes was studded out over 200 times according to allbreedpedigree.com and the stud fee's are $10,000.00!
Supply and demand.

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Originally posted by RichardAustin:

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Bailey

Bailey I certainly agree with you that there are plenty of horses not worth their salt. I'll just remind you of one thing; remember a photo of Buster and Little Peppy cutting a cow in front of the King Ranch herd? Buster has his bedroll strapped on and he was out for a couple nights on the range working Little Peppy. Point being some are and some aren't. That Hancock horse I saw looked to have too much shoulder which made his neck tie in to his belly, and the angle of his shoulder looked too straight up and down. Granted you can't tell from a photo, but that's what I saw. I see a horse like that and I start thinking I need an acre to lope him in a circle.
I'll grant you some of the cutters if they couldn't cut would be giving birthday pony rides with cowboy Bob. I still stand fast that the QH from the turn of last century can't hold a candle to the good modern blood lines.

Bailey, I've edited to add this. I think there'd be plenty of happy ranch hands to ride a horse sired by one of the top sires like a Pepto. I think the stud fee is what prohibits them from becoming part of a string. I'd be willing to bet the hands at Four 6's like what thy get to use, just the average rancher can't afford to have their help -or themselves- mounted on a ranch pony whos sire's stud fee was 20 plus thousand dollars.

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Originally posted by RichardAustin:
JW, the telling part is noresman refers you to a website that brags about Peptoboonsmal producing off spring winning in excess of $21 Million dollars to date, and he spent the last 4 days trying to find one off spring of that other horse.

I'm actually starting to think his time is better spent looking for deceased stallions.

In another thread he's declaring hybrid to be th same as hybrid vigor. He couldn't understand why I said to look for hybrid vigor in your babies.

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Originally posted by Norseman:

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Originally posted by RichardAustin:
JW, the telling part is noresman refers you to a website that brags about Peptoboonsmal producing off spring winning in excess of $21 Million dollars to date, and he spent the last 4 days trying to find one off spring of that other horse.

I'm actually starting to think his time is better spent looking for deceased stallions.

In another thread he's declaring hybrid to be th same as hybrid vigor. He couldn't understand why I said to look for hybrid vigor in your babies.

My life doesn't revolve around internet.
If you have a problem with Aaron Ranch, call Phil Aaron and ask him if he has time to satisfy your ego. In the mean time look up Joe Lee Hancock pedigree.

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Originally posted by Norseman:
JWP475,
How else could I prove to you that there is no such thing as a 14.5 horse?

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Originally posted by Norseman:
JWP475,
Done it twice already. If you're still not convince, ask your farrier, jockey or vet.

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Originally posted by Sean Russell:
Norseman-

In the vernacular here in the 'states what ray and jwp are saying is they the horse is 14 and a half hands tall.

Its common usage\ have heard and used it all my life--


Unless of course it's a Mini.

Grizz

not worth an inter-net slanging war over-------

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Originally posted by Skyline:
Oh this whole thread just makes me shake my head. I can't see the problem here with hands........ 14.5 as in 14 and a half hands as in 14.2..... no mystery here.

I would also say that over the years I have seen a hell of a lot of horses that had a really big name in the AQHA registry or another registry somewhere on their papers.......... had little to do with the actual horse. Too many guys out there that base everything on the pedigrees and are breeding horses that have what it takes on paper but not on all four feet.

When you get into the actual foundation sires most horses pedigrees in that regard are on a long rope out of a deep canyon.

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Originally posted by RichardAustin:
Thing is, those people have one of the all time great studs in Peptoboonsmal. Gary trained him and always said if he could just have one more like him in his lifetime. Gary is the consummate horseman, so him saying that means a lot. They also got Duels Blue Boon which if I remember right Kobie Woods trained, but I do remember is that horse won or placed a lot, close to $200,000.00 I believe. So Norseman, after all that effort to track down some old old blood line with no known record, discovers a ranch with two really good/great studs and never gives them a second look. He's the perfect example of what I was saying about backyard breeders and horses bred without a purpose.

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Originally posted by jstevens:

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Originally posted by RichardAustin:
Thing is, those people have one of the all time great studs in Peptoboonsmal. Gary trained him and always said if he could just have one more like him in his lifetime. Gary is the consummate horseman, so him saying that means a lot. They also got Duels Blue Boon which if I remember right Kobie Woods trained, but I do remember is that horse won or placed a lot, close to $200,000.00 I believe. So Norseman, after all that effort to track down some old old blood line with no known record, discovers a ranch with two really good/great studs and never gives them a second look. He's the perfect example of what I was saying about backyard breeders and horses bred without a purpose.

I ride cutters, and I can tell you that most of the horses that won in the 80's couldn't place now. Some of that is due to better training. IF the guy actually breeds any mares at $10000, you'd have a hell of a time selling your way out of that one!

I grew up on a cattle ranch, we had quarter horses in the 50's, and owned a couple of own daughters of Joe Hancock. About the only thing you could say about their offspring was that they were usually fast, and had big ugly heads about as long as your arm.

Also as a side note, Gary Bellenfant was stretching the truth if he said he didn't train Pepto. It don't work that way! What he is saying is that he was somewhat natural.

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Originally posted by Grizzly Adams:

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Originally posted by Skyline:
Oh this whole thread just makes me shake my head. I can't see the problem here with hands........ 14.5 as in 14 and a half hands as in 14.2..... no mystery here.

I would also say that over the years I have seen a hell of a lot of horses that had a really big name in the AQHA registry or another registry somewhere on their papers.......... had little to do with the actual horse. Too many guys out there that base everything on the pedigrees and are breeding horses that have what it takes on paper but not on all four feet.

When you get into the actual foundation sires most horses pedigrees in that regard are on a long rope out of a deep canyon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-CwacEcGhs

Grizz

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Originally posted by Skyline:

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Originally posted by Grizzly Adams:

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Originally posted by Skyline:
Oh this whole thread just makes me shake my head. I can't see the problem here with hands........ 14.5 as in 14 and a half hands as in 14.2..... no mystery here.

I would also say that over the years I have seen a hell of a lot of horses that had a really big name in the AQHA registry or another registry somewhere on their papers.......... had little to do with the actual horse. Too many guys out there that base everything on the pedigrees and are breeding horses that have what it takes on paper but not on all four feet.

When you get into the actual foundation sires most horses pedigrees in that regard are on a long rope out of a deep canyon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-CwacEcGhs

Grizz

Sigh!!! Oh ya the Arab industry. Whole different world and people........... reminds me of their Liberty classes.

I've always thought that SCI could probably have a category for them in the record book.
Most people with Arabs also like llamas, why is that?

Sorry I could not resist.