Any thoughts on riding in the mountains with just the front cinch and not the back? pro's & cons ?

Front and back cinch in my country

Depends mostly on the Saddle and load. Some trail saddles and competitive saddles are meant to be used with one. If a saddle has two on it, there is no downside to using both as they are meant to be. Loose, swinging back Cinches are a big no, no in my world, especially on trails where brush and limbs can intrude. I don't keep the back "roping" tight but I do keep it good and snug.
Best regards,

No fun going down a steep incline to find the back of your saddle in the air and you over the horse's neck. Don't ask how I know.

Grizz

depends on how your saddle is rigged-a center fire doesnt have a back cinch-and works great in the mountains-

If you are really worried about the saddles sliding forward use a britchen strap.

I guess if you didn't have a back cinch already you wouldn't be asking. I'd use the back cinch, and a crupper if necessary.

I took the back cinch off my saddles and haven't missed 'em at all.

I have a back cinch and use a britchen. The defensive horse class I took prefers saddles without rear cinch while in the mountains. Just getting opinions. I used to use a crupper but like the britchen better.

FWIW, I'd say that if you're using a britchen, the back cinch may well be negligible. Honestly, though, it really depends on your horse and your saddle. The main use of the back girth would be to keep the back of the saddle from rising up, thus putting too much pressure on the front bars of the saddle. We've all seen those horse's with white hair on the withers. This is due to improper saddle fit.

I would agree on the Crupper in the mountains. They are up out of the way and worth a lot on the big downhill trips.

Unless your riding a centerfire saddle you need a back cinch, and the tell tale of a non experienced rider is a slack back cinch..Your back cinch should be the same snuggness, whatever that may require or be, as your front cinch in any kind of diciplane. Failure to do this is what causes more sore withered horses than anything I know of..

Twilli, I guess they told you that the potential problem with the back cinch is getting limbs caught in it but a britchen offers up the same potential problem.

Most of the times I hunted in the mountains it was as the city dude, riding piece of crap saddles with a minimum of harness.

The saddles had a back cinch when they were new but the guy wrangling the horses probably didn't want to mess with them and never got replaced when broken.

Then it becomes the custom not to have back cinches! For no particularly good reason.

It's like the mistake of using solids on Cape buffalo. It is just the thing to do because everyone else did it and does it. Go figure!

Back cinches are a train wreck waiting to happen unless you ride in treeless. country. Want some excitement ? Catch a limb in a back cinch, have it break off and and start sticking the horse in the belly or get tangled up in his back legs.

A quality front cinch (checked often) and a breast collar will take all the strain up hill and on the level. Only dudes rides horses down hill on more than a gentle grade.

As the old saying goes:

"A horse that won't carry a man up a mountain a'int no horse AND a man who won't walk a horse down a mountain a'int no man."

Horses knees are not designed to go down hill carrying a chubby dude, rifle, saddle, bags etc.etc. Try throwing 30% of your weight on your back and walking down a 30 degree or more grade with no pair of Komperdells to take the load off your knees and see how you'll feel.

70 year old man, started at 7,000' up and BACK to 10,500' to The Cirque of the Towers (google it). Would kill a horse but I made it with a 30 pound pack, a 3 pound 44 magnum and KOMPERDELLS. W/O the poles, I'd be needing a new set of knees.



Proper rig for mountain riding, one cinch and breast collar. Gunsight pass in the Wyoming Range. 10,500' Six hour ride in, 4 hour walk & 3 hour ride out.



Have yet to see a back cinch on any mountain outfitter's or guide's horse in these here parts.

Honestly Larry Root / 7x7royal (lone_stranger, pigmaster, bumfarto, 4barexpert, artshaw, silverbullet45, 45-70shooter, etc., ect.) why do you feel compelled to continually circumvent the owner, admin. and moderators wishes for you to be gone from this website by creating numerous usernames??

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Originally posted by Moderator GeorgeS:
bumfarto/4barexpert/silverbullet45/artshaw/45-70 shooter,


Why do you keep registering here? You've been removed repeatedly.

Take the hint - you are not welcome here.

George

Ironic that on the 4th of July we have "man" from Texas, who hides behind a user name, advocates and aids other "men" who threaten other peoples' liberty and, in fact their very lives. Censorship is the last resort of those who lack the courage to face those they hate and fear. It has always failed in the history of our great Republic and always will. Why don't you and "Miles" man up and make that oft lied about "road trip" and make good on your threats, rather than having others do your dirty work ?

This is such a nice site, with many members who are gentlemen and enjoy civil conversations. It's a shame you have to interject your ugly, lies and off topic posts.
It's sad your lives are so empty that you have nothing to do except try and create discord and trouble amongst people you don't know from Adam and, in any case, are afraid to meet.

You won't win here, as you have never won anywhere. Sad, sad, sad little man who is such a coward he is afraid to accept a PM.

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Originally posted by 7x7royal:
Ironic that on the 4th of July we have "man" from Texas, who hides behind a user name, advocates and aids other "men" who threaten other peoples' liberty and, in fact their very lives. Censorship is the last resort of those who lack the courage to face those they hate and fear. It has always failed in the history of our great Republic and always will. Why don't you and "Miles" man up and make that oft lied about "road trip" and make good on your threats, rather than having others do your dirty work ?

This is such a nice site, with many members who are gentlemen and enjoy civil conversations. It's a shame you have to interject your ugly, lies and off topic posts.
It's sad your lives are so empty that you have nothing to do except try and create discord and trouble amongst people you don't know from Adam and, in any case, are afraid to meet.

You won't win here, as you have never won anywhere. Sad, sad, sad little man who is such a coward he is afraid to accept a PM.

So why are you logging through a proxy server, which is listed as a spam source then?

Why don't you state your name and location?

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This is such a nice site, with many members who are gentlemen and enjoy civil conversations.

Laughable and ironic that you labor under the delusion that you fit within this mold, as your previous history and behavior has proven time and again that you are NO gentleman and far from civil.

"7x7royal" (lone_stranger, pigmaster, bumfarto, 4barexpert, artshaw, silverbullet45, 45-70shooter, etc., ect and these just on this sight alone! Well over 100+ screen names BANNED on other Forums)
Larry Root, irregardless of the name you use to perpetrate your fraud , you're still the same old gender confused, paranoid delusional, pathological lying geriatric TROLL.

Extremely telling of your true "character" (lack there of) that you find it necessary to continually circumvent both Rick Bin and Saeed's (and/or their Admin. / Moderators) wishes for you to be gone from their website by adding numerous screen names via proxy servers for the sole intent and purpose to TROLL a site where you are neither wanted nor offer ANYTHING of real use and value to the membership.

You live your pathetic excuse of an existence vicariously through the Internet, Gun Rags and books and then claim and spew them as if it were first hand experience, yet it is something you've only read and never done. A fact which has been proven numerous times over the past few years on a handful of Forums.

You've been banned here multiple times and have multiple user names and even claim to be your wife from time to time (Not to mention claiming to be your buds Duane and Roger)! You've done the same thing on many other Forums, and have been banned from them as well ... (24Hourcampfire, SnipersHide, Optics Talk, ARAIG, just to name a few...)

Since you so desperately want to talk about lies.... how about regaling the membership here about your heroic exploits during your 3 tours in 'Nam as a THUDS / F-105 "Fighter Pilot"??...

Remember, loosing your friends over Red River....bunking with "Marine Snipers"... expert Marksman Badges with four different weapons... 600 and 1000 yard matches that you won while in the Air Force... your much claimed and touted combat service...

Absolutely riveting and fascinating tales you spewed!

Even more so since your DD214 (which was previously posted on Snipershide until the thread was removed) didn't reflect ANY of those tall tales!

You were NOT a fighter pilot (nor any other type)
NO sniper action nor association
NO combat service
NO reflection of these so called qualifications with FOUR weapons
NO mention of these LR matches you supposedly won....

You were just a communications nerd assigned to the Autodin switch in Korat.

Wasn't enough to be truthful for once in your pathetic excuse for a life and just say you served honorably. You had to weave a fantastical tale of heroism in an attempt to impress others, and bolster your flagging ego.

You have to stroke your pathetic and imbecilic persona on the Internet as you've failed miserably at life and don't get the attention you crave at home... 72 years of useless existence and this is how you choose to make a name for yourself...

You're a sad pathetic little shell of a "man"...

Busted again Larry. Even a retard would have gotten the hint long ago you are not welcome here.

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Originally posted by jorge:
Busted again Larry. Even a retard would have gotten the hint long ago you are not welcome here.

One gets an insight of the character - or lack thereof - of an individual.

We have a character here who pretends to have done so many things, which others have found out to be a total bunch of lies.

He asks others why they are not using there names on the board, while he himself does not use his name, but also logs in through anonymiser proxy.

To me, this is the character of an ultimate looser.

I have no idea how he can look at himself in the mirror and calls himself a man!

Saaed, Sad to see you buy into this tissue of lies and slander.

NONE of the BS spouted by this bunch of cowards has ever been nor ever could be documented.

Why don't you ACTUALLY read the post and tell me who is providing useful information and who is engaging in lies, insults, threats AND is hiding behind a screen name afraid to ever carry out their past threats to kill me, "visit" my home or come to my town and attempt to intimidate me ?

Funny how the same kind of assholes spent pages attacking General Craig Boddington with no facts just envy. As I recall you were the moderator there as well.

Perhaps more mirrors need gazing into than mine ?

You could start by having the common courtesy to answer emails.

In any case we (my real friends) and I know the truth and really don't care about loud mouthed cowards consumed with hate for someone whom they will never meet.

See you around the site.

Larry Root (my REAL name)

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by 7x7royal:
Ironic that on the 4th of July we have "man" from Texas, who hides behind a user name, advocates and aids other "men" who threaten other peoples' liberty and, in fact their very lives. Censorship is the last resort of those who lack the courage to face those they hate and fear. It has always failed in the history of our great Republic and always will. Why don't you and "Miles" man up and make that oft lied about "road trip" and make good on your threats, rather than having others do your dirty work ?

This is such a nice site, with many members who are gentlemen and enjoy civil conversations. It's a shame you have to interject your ugly, lies and off topic posts.
It's sad your lives are so empty that you have nothing to do except try and create discord and trouble amongst people you don't know from Adam and, in any case, are afraid to meet.

You won't win here, as you have never won anywhere. Sad, sad, sad little man who is such a coward he is afraid to accept a PM.

So why are you logging through a proxy server, which is listed as a spam source then?

Why don't you state your name and location?

Saeed & George, this sociopath Larry Root (by hs own admission) is now pestering me via PMs. Please inform him (as I have and several times) to stop the PMs. I have NO DESIRE to communicate with this idiot.

From Larry via PM:

Jorge, you guys are big on hiding behind screen names and slandering people you will never meet.

You may feel "I am not welcome", funny things is the dozens of folks I regularly talk to whom I met on the site, don't seem to share your childish hatred. They also don't seem to mind selling me guns and scopes both here and on that other site you hide out on.

Hope you are enjoying your declining years in God's waiting room ..... at least being a nasty old man gives you a way to pass the time.

Three years of abuse over a silly want ad .... now that adult behavior !

Larry Root (my REAL name)

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Originally posted by 7x7royal:
Saaed, Sad to see you buy into this tissue of lies and slander.

NONE of the BS spouted by this bunch of cowards has ever been nor ever could be documented.

Those so called "tissue of lies, slander, and BS" have indeed been proven (and YOU know it!) ad nauseam on other Internet Forums. The truth is out there, readily available to anyone that chooses to look for it.

Of course, since you've been prolific under well over 100 screen names, I'm sure you're hoping your pathological lies, online sociopath behavior, general douchebaggery, and bovine excrement is well buried and difficult to find.

Not that difficult to dig up if one is inclined. All one needs to do is use your name (Larry Root) in the search function to get a gist of your despicable behavior, lies, and paranoid delusions.

More than likely, the mere fact that you've been BANNED countless times (again, exceeds 100) on just three Forums alone in the recent past undoubtedly speaks volumes to the majority of members of your credibility.

Your compulsive need to continue perpetrating your fraud by constantly circumventing your bannings by creating numerous screen names via proxy servers further solidifies the low opinion of your character.

It is rather interesting and telling how you like to project this label of "coward" to myself and anyone else tired of your crap, and are willing to call you out on your atrocious behavior and lies.

Over the years, I've only needed ONE screen name (FOsteology) for all the Forums I've joined and participated with.

Whereas YOU....

7x7royal, lone_stranger, pigmaster, bumfarto, 4barexpert, artshaw, silverbullet45, 45-70shooter, and the 100+ other screen names you've created via proxy servers all in effort to circumvent the wishes of Internet Forum Owners, Admins. and Moderators for you to be gone and no longer participate on their website.

Yes indeed, it would appear that YOU are indeed projecting.... and are the COWARD you speak of.

Whether "7x7royal" is banned or not, I'm positive you'll be back yet again under another screen name (or two... or three...) as you have a pattern and MO (a sickness really) well known and documented.

No matter, as you're easily "rooted" out (pun intended). You're about as inconspicuous as a tarantula on a slice of angel food cake...

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Originally posted by jorge:

Saeed & George, this sociopath Larry Root (by hs own admission) is now pestering me via PMs. Please inform him (as I have and several times) to stop the PMs. I have NO DESIRE to communicate with this idiot.

Jorge,

That's why I always place him on ignore as his PM's are typically comprised of vulgar, incoherent rants laced with bizarre thought processes and paranoid delusions.

Not only is Larry Root a pathological liar, but appears (certainly comes across) to be a sociopath.

He needs help. Desperately.

7x7,
Bad advise, if you tighten your rear cinch the same tight as your front cinch you not going to get the proverbial limb in it..Ask any custom saddle maker, both cinches should be the same tightness, it helps the horse and the rider and keeps the saddle from pinching the withers to whatever degree, depending on saddle fit. If both cinces are snug in the mountains or pastures your correct, if roping one needs a snug front cinch and a little snugger back cinch to keep the saddle off the withers..Common since.

7x7 is packing to much --salted meat-- it aint the cinch

I am fat enough to know this and have run that trail all a foot so

we packed salt on em if we could not ride em

never did it not work but never tried it on my self

don't you say one word ray

this is bad as it lays

Another good reason to use two roping cinched is to be able to leave that front cinch a bit looser.

I've always tightened the front cinch pretty tight because of my no-whither mules.

But if I use a mohair or alpaca roper cinch on the front and also as the rear cinch I can ease up on the tightness of the front cinch. Works pretty well and I'm sure the mule appreciates it.

What Will sez, I have rode our mules the same way with both cinches the same, that would be both just snug, and never had a problem..We have always however moved our back cinch back and not used a hobble strap...It will only work if you break then that way and if not they will probably buck you off..the uplift in the flank will hold your saddle on the steepest downhill slope just like a cruper..it works.