I have an upcoming court case where the respondant is going to use the terms "froggy" and "rank" in his explanation. I know what he is referring to but I need an internet source or a book source to shoot copies of so the Judge will have a "published source" to refer to rather than an explanation by me or a cowboy.
I've tried "wikipedia" and "Google". Any other ideas?

here's one for rank, as racing people call it anyway.
http://www.timwoolleyracing.co...quently_aske.php#ran

I checked a few of my books and did a search online. Would have figured that these terms would be more readily found.

here ya go: Rank - An animal that is ill-tempered, dangerous, or hard to ride.
http://www.lemen.com/dictionary-r.html

he was feeling froggy & had a great time bucking & playing
http://www.care2.com/c2c/group...gpp=4295&pst=1404333

Hope those help a bit. Sorry if they aren't good enough to use.

Thanks Daniel
The second one "rank" was exactly what I was hoping for, hope I can find "froggy" in a similar context.
I appreciate your help.

I did find a few references when I googled "feeling froggy", but not much I thought you'd be interested in. Sorry, and good luck.

Any chance you could get him to use a different descriptive word? There were a bunch for "rogue" and some others.

Long story Daniel but this guy isn't on my side I just happen to know what he is going to say. The guy mis represented a horse now he is going to claim that he told us the horse was rank and froggy before we bought it.
Real fun stuff.........

I empathize for what you're going through, and hope none of you and yours were hurt by the rank one.

Figured it was something like that. Unfortunately, a too common dealing. Credible character as hard to find.

solution:Saddle'm up for the judge to ride!

Thanks everybody.
After the parties were served with summons to go to court the guy was more agreeable to take the horse back, I returned it on Monday and got the cash, we are only out the dollars for a vet check, shoes, court filing fees, serving fees, gas and some hay.

Glad to hear it worked out for ya.

That's as good as you could of asked for, sans a few gray hairs!
Any prospects?

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Any prospects?

Oh there's always prospects, lots of horses for sale right now but there is a lot of mis-represented problems out there too.
Just have to sift through the chaff to get the grain.
My gal wants a horse she can rope on (head) that is dead quiet and no buck or rear and can be ridden on trails without a fuss. She also wants a pretty one!
So we are being patient, thought we had found a good one but he was not quite what was sold to us, he had a long history of bucking that was intentionally left out of the discussions when we bought him. Other than that he was fine!

FWIW, I don't like being involved in selling horses at all. So much depends on how the "new" rider handles things from the seller's perspective, just as much depends on how much truth there is on the seller's description from the buyer's side. I had a guy try out a mare that I flat out told him could be cold backed. He grabbed the reins by the very tail end, and stepped up to seat himself directly behind the saddle, on her butt. Neither I, nor the mare, were prepared for that.
My point is, any time you are looking to buy a horse, you should try it out multiple times before finalizing the sale, or taking it home. If I know a person fairly well, I may even let them take the horse for a week or so to try it at their home. I have done this extended trial many times, and have canceled sales after I saw the prospective owner ride the horse, and knew it wasn't going to work out, even if they didn't. A few bucks is never worth getting someone hurt over. I'd say that the "pretty" part of your order is by far the last part I'd try and fill. Pretty is as pretty does. It is a buyer's market though. If you weren't so far away I'd sure try and hook you up with something. Good luck.

Thanks Daniel for the advice and guidance but we have done a hundred horse deals and are pretty savvy when it comes to sifting through the junk.
This time we were fooled though.
We tried this horse out several times and roped off of it and asked the guy at least 5 times if the horse has ever bucked, reared or has any behavioral problems. We described what we were looking for and let the guy know that she hasn't roped in 20 years and needed a safe horse that wouldn't get us hurt when we started roping again. We were completely lied to and were headed to getting hurt but didn't know it because of the sellers dishonesty.
After we bought the horse it blew up on me and luckily I turned it tight and kept him from going any further with the blow up, he pulled the stunt again a few minutes later and it got us to wondering. We then tracked down the owner previous to the person we bought the horse from who said "don't ride that horse he is a SEVERE bucker and you WILL get hurt". He is a competition team roper (pro Rodeo) and won't ride this horse or let anyone else ride it. He gave the horse to the guy we bought him from with the understanding that he wouldn't be sold because this new owner could get along with him and handle him.
We called the guy we bought him from and asked about the bucking and he promptly lied and said he never knew the horse bucked with a previous owner, then he called back and said that yeah he knew the horse was a bucker and that he told us "the horse was rank and froggy" and then we bought him anyways.
Asked him to take the horse back but he refused and we then threatened him with court to no affect. Had him served and within a few days he took the horse back and returned the purchase price only so we were out feed, shoes, vet check (which we would have never had a vet check if he was a known bucker) court filing fees and srving fees for the summons not to mention travel, etc.
As for the "pretty" thing well thats her deal, I've never bothered with a horses looks, just his ability to perform the task, she wants all that plus "cute". Go figure I can't make sense of it, its a woman thing.

THE LIGHTER SIDE Horse Terminology
Hock - the financial condition of all horse owners
Stall - what your trailer rig does at rush hour in an unfamiliar city on the way to a big horseshow.
A bit - what you have left in your pocket after you've been to your favorite tack shop.
Fence - a decorative structure built to provide your horse with something to chew on.
Horse auction - what you think of having after your horse bucks you off.
Pinto - a green coat pattern found on freshly washed light-colored horses left unattended for 2 minutes in a pasture.
Well-mannered - a horse that hasn't stepped on, bitten or kicked any human for a week.
Rasp - an abrasive metal tool used to remove excess skin from one's knuckles.
Lunging - popular training method in which a horse exercises the human by spinning them in circles until dizzy.
Gallop - customary gait a horse chooses when returning back to the barn.
Nicely started - the horse lunges but there is not enough health insurance in the world to even think about riding him.
Colic - gastrointestinal distress in people after eating food at horse fairs and shows.
Colt - what your mare gives you when you want a filly.
Easy to load - only takes 3 hours, 4 men, a 50 lb. bag of oats, and a tractor with a loader.
Easy to catch - in a 10 x 10 stall, that is.
Easy rider - rides good in a trailer, not to be confused with "rideable."
Endurance ride - end result when your horse spooks and runs away with you.
Hives - what you get when you receive the vet bill for your horse.
Hobbles - walking gait of a human after their foot has been stepped on by a horse.
Feed - expensive substance used to manufacture manure.
Dog house - what you are in when you spend too much money on grooming supplies and pretty halters.
Light cribber - we can't afford to build any more fencing or box stalls for this buzz saw on 4 legs.
3 gaited horse - a horse that trips, stumbles and falls.

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Rasp - an abrasive metal tool used to remove excess skin from one's knuckles.

just trimmed a couple for my vet in exchange for spaying a cat. Wanna see my hands?

Good ones Painted!

my dad and grandfather were literally a dictionary for horse terms, some of which possibly wouldn't be appropriate for a court of law or mixed company.