Anybody know of any high percentages Driftwood stallions out there?

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Originally posted by Norseman:
Anybody know of any high percentages Driftwood stallions out there?

email me and I will give you contact of a man who would know.

ledvm@msn.com

Fellas enlighten me, what is a Driftwood stallion?

Jim

Driftwood was a Foundation AQHA sire. It is simply a bloodline.

Arkypete,

what I meant was that I am looking for high percentage "current" stallion that is line-bred based on Driftwood breeding.

Take a look below, if you're curious about what's a Driftwood stallion.

http://www.cnrquarterhorses.com/driftwood.htm

Norseman
Thank you. I had visions of horses the color of driftwood.

Jim

Here is one in IL. He is gray. I have two mares out of him. His offspring all seem to be pretty sensible and versatile.

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/rainbow+gentleman

MFH,
thanks but he is less than 5% Driftwood, I need at least 30% Driftwood to be considered high % Driftwood. Again,thanks!!!!!!

Anybody else into Driftwoods?

Clay O'Brian Cooper, one the the great all time heelers in the team roping sport likes Driftwood horses...I would start by contacting some of your local team ropers and asking as the Driftwood horses are very popular among team ropers..Maybe contact the American Quarter Horse Assn. they have the records and should be able to help you..Get a Super looper, or Rodeo magazine, perhaps even a Western Horseman find the breeders and contact them, if they don't have a Driftwood they will probably know where one is..Rope horse trainers would be a good bet.

I would forget about percentages and go for a direct son or grandson, about two or perhaps three generations is what your looking for. more removal does away with what I think your looking for...

They are excellent rodeo horses, and most of them I have seen have a lot of cow in them, they really lay their ears back and hunt cattle. They are also pretty costly..

Try the Potter Ranch, Marana Arizona. Proven performers

Ray,
I have to go with percentages, Driftwood has been dead since 1960. If I could go back 2 or 3 generation I would be happy. I have read those magazines that you've mentioned and called the stud owners and sure enough they were all self promoting lying son of bitches.You would think there be would honesty among the horse breeder's but no, it's just like the AKC breeder's of dogs. I just have to rely on old time cowboys by word of the mouth and I happened to find in Oklahoma. A 22 year old 4th/5th generation stallion. Didn't see or heard any mentioning of Driftwood's at Pendleton Round Up over the last 5 years or so, I am beginning to wonder if this bloodline is only popular in the southwest or Texas? Might have to look into Hancock's.

Scots recomendation of the Potter Ranch looks about as good as I could find. http://www.potterranch.com/winston.html

The Hancock horses are more popular here in Texas, and there are some good ones.

Google search -line bred driftwood quarter horse

Lots of them out there--

Thanks! I think I found what I am looking for.

So what did you find?

I should say that Bailey Bradshaw found MP Thriftwood for me but I am also looking at War Train. I need to find the height and weight first and go from there, I can't stand the current trend of quarter horse looking like throughbred s, I wish AQHA would close the book or have more restrictions on confirmations.

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Originally posted by Norseman:
I have read those magazines that you've mentioned and called the stud owners and sure enough they were all self promoting lying son of bitches.You would think there be would honesty among the horse breeder's but no, it's just like the AKC breeder's of dogs. I just have to rely on old time cowboys by word of the mouth and I happened to find in Oklahoma.

Dang, that kinda reminds me of Jack O'Conner commenting that wood hawks were as bad as horse traders.

ACTUALLY, I need to thank SCOTS for the grateful referral!!!!!!!!!

Well, from what I read, Driftwood was apparently at least half thoroughbred, evidenced by the fact that he was fast and could run, which apparently is the first requirement for roping horses.

So a "good" quarter horse these days is just a chunky thoroughbred on steroids?

The quarter horse breed has become a goup of subsets. They are versatile, but each group has those horses that excell in ONE facet more than others and they have been selectively bred for that one event. You have pleasure horses that are tall and lanky, racing bred that look like thoroughbred sprinters, cutters that are short and quick, reiners and reined cow horses that are built like cutters but maybe more fluid movers. Then there are the ranch and rope horses that probably embody the original Quarter horse better than the other groups as they have to have the speed strength and mind to do it all.

I'm a reining fan and have reining bred horses. My stallion is a Mister Dual Pep son, and is the smartest horse I've ever worked with, but he wouldn't make a head horse as he is too small.

Will,
Driftwood was only 14.3 hands, must have had a big heart and smartness about him. They say there was draft horses too in his background as well. AQHA didn't start registration till early 1940's. Bailey Bradshaw pretty much sums it up for you. After all, thoroughbred are Arabians aren't they? I like my horse stout and shorter then a thoroughbred for what I do. The stud I am looking at is also 14.3 hands and stout as well.

When my daughter was a young teenager we had a quarter horse (?) mare that looked like Sherry Verbi's palomino. That horse was fast. I am really fast. Big resd end. Quintessential QH I guess. Too bad we didn't get serious about barrels. But I was a poor college professor and the "horse games" are for the well to do.

Today depending on what your chosen dicipline is, you can do just a bit of research and find todays best breeding..

In cutting its cat horses, in barrels its usually Dash for Cash with Dash for fame today; In roping it varies as there are so many ropers today but the Driftwood, Doc bars, Poco, Hancock line is still popular on heel horses, on head horses I like two eyed Jack, Hancock and some others. I could go on and on. But new breeding pops up all the time and refreshes the old. Bloodlines, that most have never heard of start living in the winners box, and then their breeding runs off the charts.

You have to keep in mind that the horse you choose should be no more than two generations away from the living best, but don't misunderstand that, in that many good blood lines like Doc Bars, Drift wood died many years ago, but some of thier ken also turned out as good as they did and that is the horse you want to study. So the fact that your horse goes back to old foundation breeding doesn't hurt a thing and that breeding produced some awesome animals throughout time.

One of my rope horses goes back to Doc Bars and later Docs Oak, His foundation sire was Skipper W. These horses are all dead, but man their genes are still producing a lot of horses that came along after them that did well,

Its complicated, and if any of us could figure it all out 100%, we could sit on the telephone and become millionaires overnight..

To me and for my dicipline, the proof in the pudding is when I put a saddle on a young colt or for that matter a finished horse. For a race horse breeder its when he punches the clock, same for the barrel racer; for the roper he is looking for speed, intelligence, rate, and stop.
You might very well find these things in any breed if you just keep looking.

If you figure it out let me know.

Get in touch with John Clark in Arizona.

Married to the daughter of the fella that sold Clay O his great buckskin horse Ike.

He is Australian and a great friend of mine.

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
Today depending on what your chosen dicipline is, you can do just a bit of research and find todays best breeding..

In cutting its cat horses, in barrels its usually Dash for Cash with Dash for fame today; In roping it varies as there are so many ropers today but the Driftwood, Doc bars, Poco, Hancock line is still popular on heel horses, on head horses I like two eyed Jack, Hancock and some others. I could go on and on. But new breeding pops up all the time and refreshes the old. Bloodlines, that most have never heard of start living in the winners box, and then their breeding runs off the charts.

You have to keep in mind that the horse you choose should be no more than two generations away from the living best, but don't misunderstand that, in that many good blood lines like Doc Bars, Drift wood died many years ago, but some of thier ken also turned out as good as they did and that is the horse you want to study. So the fact that your horse goes back to old foundation breeding doesn't hurt a thing and that breeding produced some awesome animals throughout time.

One of my rope horses goes back to Doc Bars and later Docs Oak, His foundation sire was Skipper W. These horses are all dead, but man their genes are still producing a lot of horses that came along after them that did well,

Its complicated, and if any of us could figure it all out 100%, we could sit on the telephone and become millionaires overnight..

To me and for my dicipline, the proof in the pudding is when I put a saddle on a young colt or for that matter a finished horse. For a race horse breeder its when he punches the clock, same for the barrel racer; for the roper he is looking for speed, intelligence, rate, and stop.
You might very well find these things in any breed if you just keep looking.

If you figure it out let me know.

Ray is spot on. IMHO today's top bloodline horses are better than those of yesteryear. Rope horses are no different in this respect. Wood you rather drive a 50's truck are a new one. No comparison really.

NOrseman,
I was talking about "todays" Driftwood horses that Clay and some others are roping on, some real nice breeding that goes back to Driftwood, but not sons or grandsons..I suppose you could go with the percentages of their horses or go with the generations of their horses, depending on the horse, either one...Percentages on driftwood himself would be so far removed that you couldn't get anything from the line IMO...Sorry for the hiccups.

Ray?

What are you trying to say or print?

OK, I will try harder, one post here gives you the name and who to contact to get of Clay O'Brian Cooper or you can find him at the USTRC or National Finals rodeo or any pro rodeo..He has a Driftwood horse that is proven to be the best..That would be a good place to start and try and stay within one or two generations of him. Sorry if I rambled or whatever.

Tell me about it.
This is only 1 line of Driftwood breeding and there is at least 7 more for me to research on.
I am also going to focus Hancock bloodlines.


www.kesaquarterhorses.com/the-driftwoods/

Another nice looking 14.3 hand Driftwood stallion,
www.cnrquarterhorses.com/war-train.htm

Are you sure your not putting too much emphasis on breeding, I always look for good breeding but never check it until I find the horse I might want, that's a waste of time unless your into that sort of thing, Driftwood or woodrift, he must be an exceptional athelet before you buy him..Some race people pretty much go by breeding alone, but they also soap half the horses they buy, check the sat. sale anywhere around Ruidosa N.M. and you can buy some damn well bred started horses, that were just off the clock in the racing world.. but they can turn around on dime, collect and make great horses for other disaplanes such as show, roping, barrel racing, lots of ways to go, and you can buy them at killer price by the pound. I outfitted my ranch with those kind of mares and sold my colts before the were weined every year..

Damn Ray!!!!!

are you mixing whiskey with your coffee?

I just want to get back into calf roping and team penning again and I missed that atmosphere, I can't believe I forgot how much fun it was and the fact it was a major stress relief for me.
I am running out of time Ray since I am 44 year's old.
I would much rather put stock in breeders or take advantage of that since they are KNOWN producer of roping horses that can carry my 250 pounds ass and my two 300 pounds older brother if they have time for team penning with me.
That my situation or dilemma, I hope you understand that.
But my number 1 priority is a horse suitable for me elk hunting in the Wallowa Mountains and Snake River for 5 to 7 day's at a time in the wilderness which means if you get hurt seriously, you are screwed, no if's and but. Another situation, in order for my brother and I to get landowner tags, we have to donate 2 long weekends hunting and gathering cattle and herd them to the crew for ear tagging, castration and Rocky Mountain Oyster snack bar. As result of the recent cattle theft in South Eastern Oregon, they are now hot branding.
There is no way in hell I am taking a chance on myself or my brother's on a former racehorse into mountains nor do I have time to DESENSITIZE one.

I guess I am asking for too much but after all my research, phone calling, checking the pro-rodeo data and most IMPORTANTLY bloodlines, I've come to the conclusion that a line bred Driftwood or better yet line bred Driftwood X Hancock will be a better fit my needs.
I would much rather spend a couple of extra grand on a horse from a reputable breeder that will fit needs or point me in the right direction. They all said, look at the bloodlines and then focus on performance scores. I have the money but I don't have time to wait, life is short.

One thing that I am focusing on right now is that bad drought in Texas and Oklahoma, those Driftwood and Hancock breeder's are having a hard time and I plan helping them out and they are a bargain!!!!!

Just off the clock, I've never heard that terminology in Quarterhorse racing, perhap's you meant OTTB?
I don't want anything to do with Off Track Thorougbred, they are nice to look at and smooth riding when cross with quarterhorses but that's it.

It appear's to me you've been LUCKY!

I am not into cutting, barrel racing, halter showing, wagon pulling, reining or the race track.

I like my hunting dogs which are Deutsch Drahthaar, they can performed blood tracking, pointing, tracking, big game, waterfowl and fur.
That what I call versatile, they aren't the best breed for each task but they are bred to perform all of these task.

I am focusing on versatile quarter horses.

By the Ray, it appear's that there are some damn good Driftwood and Hancock breeder's in Idaho, out of 40 young un's, average 2014 sale was $6600.00
in Rexburg.

Somebody doing something right.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bailey Bradshaw:
The quarter horse breed has become a goup of subsets. They are versatile, but each group has those horses that excell in ONE facet more than others and they have been selectively bred for that one event. You have pleasure horses that are tall and lanky, racing bred that look like thoroughbred sprinters, cutters that are short and quick, reiners and reined cow horses that are built like cutters but maybe more fluid movers. Then there are the ranch and rope horses that probably embody the original Quarter horse better than the other groups as they have to have the speed strength and mind to do it all.

I agree.

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Originally posted by Norseman:
Will,
Driftwood was only 14.3 hands, must have had a big heart and smartness about him. They say there was draft horses too in his background as well. AQHA didn't start registration till early 1940's. Bailey Bradshaw pretty much sums it up for you. After all, thoroughbred are Arabians aren't they? I like my horse stout and shorter then a thoroughbred for what I do. The stud I am looking at is also 14.3 hands and stout as well.

No TB's are not Arabs. The TB breed started with 3 foundation Arab studs in he early 1700's in England. No Arab in TBs since.

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Originally posted by Norseman:
I should say that Bailey Bradshaw found MP Thriftwood for me but I am also looking at War Train. I need to find the height and weight first and go from there, I can't stand the current trend of quarter horse looking like throughbred s, I wish AQHA would close the book or have more restrictions on confirmations.

Not sure what you mean looking "like thoroughbreds". Driftwood had TB a good percentage it appears.
From your link, "In an article about Driftwood in Hoofs and Horns, Willard Porter quoted Ab Nichols' son, Buck, as saying, "Driftwood was 6 or 7 years old when we bought him. He was a race horse, but I broke him to be a rope horse and rodeoed on him. As far as I know, he'd never experienced anything like that before we got him.
"He was a blood bay; not real big and definitely showed his Thoroughbred breeding," continued Nichols. "And he could run! He was also an extremely smooth riding horse with an easy disposition."


Does this horse look like a TB?

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTAw...O6+,hWUsg~~60_35.JPG

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/driftwood


Look's like somebody is in a bitching mood?

No one is in a bitching mood but your comments are contidictory. The people that owned him said very plainly that Driftwood showed his TB breeding in the link you provided. Crossing a QH with a TB can brings out the hybrid vigor that is what sets the QH apart. Doesn't always work but that is what the cross is after.

The link you provided above shows Driftwoods dam to be half TB.

Jwp


What year was Driftwood born?

What year did AQHA form and started registration?

What breed of horses makes a quarter horse?

What your definition of a quarter horse?

1/4 horses were bred long before a couple of ranchers decided to form an association. The one consistent of the breed is the foundation blood of TB crossed on something, ie: Indian ponies, mustangs, plow horses.

The only problem with TB blood in a 1/4 horse is not having enough of it.

RichardAustin,

please allow Jwp to speak for himself otherwise the fact that you are speaking on his behalf of JWP mean that JWP is imbecile since the questions were directed to him only.