FWIW, Frank Martinez is selling an RSM in 416 Rigby for $1,250 in the classifides. Lou

definetly the Ruger! I have the smaller edition (Ruger Express Rifle in .30-06 and it is by far the best and most beautifull rifle in my safe!

All You have to do (but that will be the same at any rifle) is to make a good trigger job and glass bed the stock - You get a georgeus and good rifle.

Here is mine, with a Titanium scope mount and a Zeiss Victory Diavari 2,5-10x50 on top - it shoots 1 inch groups of 5 with Federal ammo...:



http://www.titanium-gunworks.d...-titanium/index.html

and don´t forget to get some nice cartridge wallets on your belt to feed that nice lady!

http://www.titanium-gunworks.c...onenetuis/index.html

When I was shooting the CZ 458wm ofhand today,I noticed how hard these big kickers can be on the trigger.That Timney started hanging and hanging before it would break.I thought at first that it might be something special but I was wrong.I think it`s better than the original CZ trigger but doubt it is as good as a Ruger or classic winchester trigger.

scubapro,

At I was at a friend's house this week and in his trophy room is a lighted wall of horizontal displayed Ruger Express and RSM (MK II Magnum) factory rifles:
.270 Winchester
7mm Remington Magnum
.30-06 Springfield
.300 Winchester Magnum
.338 Winchester Magnum
.375 H&H
.416 Rigby
.458 Lott

They were a beautiful group of rifles. Thanks for the picture of your Ruger Express!

Buliwyf

I believe Ruger also offered the RSM in 404 Jeffery and .458 Winchester Magnum.

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Originally posted by ScottS:
CZ-550 American! The Ruger is joke.

Are you kidding? Every CZ I have fondled looked like it was put together by a high school, freshman shop student, especially the varmint models with the mag that hangs down. Yuck!!!

Generally I am not a Ruger fan either, but the RSM is built for business. The integral rib is classy and well done. Oh well, you know what they say about opinions... Lou

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Originally posted by Buliwyf:
scubapro,

At I was at a friend's house this week and in his trophy room is a lighted wall of horizontal displayed Ruger Express and RSM (MK II Magnum) factory rifles:
.270 Winchester
7mm Remington Magnum
.30-06 Springfield
.300 Winchester Magnum
.338 Winchester Magnum
.375 H&H
.416 Rigby
.458 Lott

They were a beautiful group of rifles. Thanks for the picture of your Ruger Express!

Buliwyf

Awesome cabinet - unfortunally Ruger does not build anymore the Express...

I'll hold my CZ Safari Classic up against the Ruger RSM anytime. The AHR trigger (CZ upgrade #1) is awesome. I find the Ruger RSMs blocky and don't like the integral rib (even though I know it's a costly feature). And my magazine floorplate doesn't open under recoil and I think the CZ's wood is better ...






Chuck

Yes, it is unfortunate Ruger doesn't build the Express anymore. Last one I saw for sale was NIB .338 Win Mag about 7 or 8 years ago. A guy was buying it to complete his Express collection. Price was over 1,000 at that time.

Chuck375, your rifle does have exceptionally nice wood. Did you do something different with the bolt shroud? Yours doesn't appear to be the same, rediculously long, bolt shroud I have seen on other CZs. Yours looks much more svelt.

I do agree that your CZ stock is slimmer than the Ruger, but I just love that quarter rib.

Lou

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Originally posted by IanD:
I have a CZ in .416, and it came new with no crossbolts. Has anyone experienced stock cracks? And should I get the action bedded and crossbolts installed? I haven't actually fired it yet.

Ian, I would recommend you get it bedded and cross bolted ASAP.

The CZ's that I have fired have been quite nice but the stocks need a fair bit of work to get them safe from cracking and handle better.

No brainer.

CZ for sure.

Follow ozhunters advice ABOVE.

What is this "Free 500 Grains" about?????

I took a bone stock CZ 550 in 450 Dakota to Africa, got back Monday night. It killed my buffalo. My PH loves CZ's and the set trigger.

Rich
Buffalo Killer

Brad:

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I feel that the Ruger looks great and handles very well I can't get myself to like the CZ's they just seem a little too rough and ugly.

Amen!!! however, some are coming with nice wood as evidenced above. Lou

I have nothing against the CZ, I have one in 9.3x62. From one side it sometimes push feeds. My .416 Ruger feeds perfectly, has never had any problem at all. I did a trigger job on it myself and put on a Limbsaver pad, other than that it is stock. It always puts three in under 3/4 inch and on occasion will shoot .3's with 370 NF and H4831.

I have owned both, I kept my CZs and sold my Rugers.

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Originally posted by Dr. Lou:

quote:

Originally posted by ScottS:
CZ-550 American! The Ruger is joke.

Are you kidding? Every CZ I have fondled looked like it was put together by a high school, freshman shop student, especially the varmint models with the mag that hangs down. Yuck!!!

Generally I am not a Ruger fan either, but the RSM is built for business. The integral rib is classy and well done. Oh well, you know what they say about opinions... Lou

I'm guessing his account got temp suspended due to criticsm of the Liberal Messiah.

quote:

Originally posted by Buliwyf:
What is this "Free 500 Grains" about?????

Here is a NEWS FLASH GUYS, None of these guns, neither the Ruger, the CZ or a Win M70 will be perfect right out of the box except by accident. CZ's need glass bedding a new safety and action polishing, RSMs need a new trigger and glassbedding and Winchesters need all of the above. I own all of them and have had to fix all of them! If you want perfection, you need to either learn how to slick-up a action yourself or find a gunsmith who can do it for you. Its really not magic and most people with some mechanical sense can do it once they get over the fear factor. THE fixs have been discussed on AR for years and are old news! Sorry- But for the money the CZ is miles ahead of the RSM. Even a moron with a rail polisher, a few machist stones and a file and some Accraglass can make a CZ flawless. Mine will feed empty cases upside down. No big deal to get it that way either just spend some time reading.-Rob

I have to agree with Rob...I have NEVER found an out-of-the-box factory rifle that DIDN'T need "slicking up" of some sort...and only a few mixed brands that were slicked up by use and not by some kind of smithing.

I can hardly find something as simple as a hammer that couldn't work better by some attention.

We shooters have hard heads and strong opinions and would fight to the death over our personal favorites...forgetting the fact we have CHOICE and should be very glad of it...usually completely lost in all the BS arguing over which is "BEST" and forgetting we are talking about individual rifles and personal tastes.

My favorite gun store handles CZ along with most other brands...I usually check out a few everytime I go in...not that I will ever buy one...I prefer to build my own. That way I can correct any problems before they become problems and can't blame anyone by myself for my personal tastes.

I've had/shot almost every brand out there sometime in the past half century, and I won't buy another american brand...the last three...Ruger, Rem, Savage...all ordered, I didn't get to check them out...and all had defects such that I had to send them back to the factory to be corrected. After mucking about doing my "personal fondling" I had almost as much coin in the Rem that I could have just bought a number of "custom rifles" built around a Rem action.

If you want a rifle that is as perfect as the maker can provide then buy a custom rifle from one of the well known custom 'smiths...you will come closer to that "mythical perfection" than in ANY factory offering...otherwise "quicherbichn"...what do you expect from chumpchange...egg in your beer???

I know...you don't have the money or expertice to do that, besides most people would rather bitch than anything else.

Besides anyone buying a DGR expecting to hunt something that would rather eat up, stomp you, or run over you than have sex...that DOESN'T have the rifle tuned to almost perfection, doesn't have a very high sense of self preservation and maybe should become bear schat in payback.

Be glad you have choice...use what you have...fix or get rid of what doesn't suit you..and stop whinning...or talk to a priest. Damned human beings would complain if they got hung with a new rope.

Happy Holidays.

Hi, I have a Ceska in caliber 375 H & H Magnum, the 550 Magnum Standard, has a quite acceptable and heavy timbers, steel rifle also is very strong and the only thing I see is the rifle against his weight, but I guess that when shooting rounds like 416 or higher this extra weight is appreciated. The Ruger I do not know him, but they are good weapons.

Greetings,

Oscar.

I ended up with a CZ 550.

I bought it used from a member of this board along with a bunch of cases, factory ammo, dies etc.

Came with Talley rings and no scope. Very nice conditon.

I just got it today. Here in the office it appears to feed perfectly. I think it's going to be a good rifle.

Maybe someday I'll send it out for some fancy wood and custom touches but for now I'll use it for a while and get to know it.

Thanks for all the advice and opinions all.

I now have a CZ, I used to have a Ruger. I can't see paying 1005 more+ and still having to do the same amount of work to slick the gun up. I love Rugers, I have a few. I just think the CZ is a better value when you consider the dollar paid.

RUGER + 1

Check out my friends 416 Ruger.

Cheers,

André

I was in the same situatio you are unil I went to Cabelas and held both next to one another. The Ruger was just so much smoother and better balanced. The bolt on the CZ felt sloppy and rough as hell.

quote:

Originally posted by zimbabwe:
I owned both a CZ550 and a Ruger RSM in 416 Rigby. Sold the Ruger and customized the CZ and have been happy ever since. I would say both shot equally as good and the decision had nothing to do with cost. I dislke the stock on the Ruger,not just the RSM as it had beautiful wood, but the general shape of the Ruger stock on ALL their boltguns. I especially dislike the flat behind the tang on top of pistol grip. The stock can be reshaped somewhat but this is hard to eliminate nicely. I also dislike the bolt handle shape and while this can be changed the abortion of a cut in the stock for the flat handle can't be tastefully repaired. On the 416 the barrel is far too heavy and the integral rib,to me, is totally unattractive. All in all I just really don't like the aesthetics of the Ruger and that is a personal thing. With the CZ restocked in a Brockman Laminate I am quite pleased and ahead a few bucks also.

I did almost the same. I bought a CZ 416 and had it slicked up a bit and sent the Ruger off to be made into a 505 Gibbs.

The Ruger is a bit bit heavy for the caliber IMHO

I felt the finish on the stock was too shiney so I dulled it down with 0000 steel wool and then buffed it with wax. I'm much happier with the more satin finish and the grain is more visible now.

Some pics. of the new addition:

quote:

Originally posted by FOOBAR:
I have to agree with Rob...I have NEVER found an out-of-the-box factory rifle that DIDN'T need "slicking up" of some sort...a

Sauer - Steyr - Blaser

All three have been great shooters out of the box and I didn't do a thing to them.

Of course, I may be lucky or easily pleased..

The Ruger RSM is the finest factory rifle on the market today. The .416 Rigby is the finest bolt action cartridge ever developed. You can not come close to the value that the RSM chambered in .416 Rigby offers.