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Hi Everyone Just a quick note to let you know of a new cartridge I designed 3 years ago - the 585 African Express . It is a totally unique design and has no parent case . Brass is available fully formed and ready to load .It is capable of 2400fps+ with a 750gn bullet . If anyone would like more info , including pictures , reamer prints and drawings , please contact me direct at rolston585ae@iafrica.com . Best wishes . Brad | ||
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Welcome, Brad. You have email!  | |||
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Brad, could you post specs & pics here? | |||
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Hi fla3006 I earn a living as a Professional Hunter - I'm still learning how to use this machine and I have no idea at all how to add a picture to my reply . Please send me instructions and I will get it done staight away . Best wishes . Brad | |||
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Hi George Many thanks for your help . Unfortunately the pictures I have are in the pictures file on the computer , and not on any website . Plan B ??? Brad | |||
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Brad, if George can't help, which I'm sure he can, send me your pic and I'll post it. Wanna trade jobs?? | |||
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Thanks Whats your email address ? You sure you want to trade jobs ??? Brad | |||
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You guys let me know if you run into any problems posting the photos, okay? George | |||
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Brad, is that a Vektor action ? | |||
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Hi No - it is a Granite Mountain Arms Action . Has a .750 inch bolt which allows you to retain controlled feeding . Headsize of the 585AE is .685" . These actions are available in 5 different lenghts , both left and right hand . Mike Roden is the president of the company . Real gentleman - he hunted with me in South Africa last year . You can reach him at GMAhunter@aol.com Brad | |||
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Brad, I saw one of your cases at GMA's booth at SCI this year. Your case dimensions are only a little bit off from the dimensions of the 577 tyrannosaur. I am curious why you went the wildcat route instead of with the 577 tyrannosaur design. Was there a design flaw in that cartridge that you were correcting? | |||
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Who is making the brass? Is this the 585 "GMA" that Mike has been telling people about? Very interesting cartridge indeed! Thanks! Quote: | |||
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Brass for both the 585 African Express as well as the 585 GMA Express is made By Bruce Bertram in Australia . The 585 GMA is basically a 3.35 long version of the 585 Nyati - now available with the 585 GMA headstamp , without a rebated rim . The 585AE is 3" long but has a headsize of .685 inches . 585 AE brass comes fully formed and ready to load . Case holds 201gns of water . Mike Rodens Granite Mountain Arms action is perfect for this cartridge . Brad | |||
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500 Grains There was no flaw in the 577 T that I knew about . I decided on the final dimensions of this cartridge after finding out about Mike Rodens action . News in South Africa at the time regarding the 577T was , that like its namesake , was extinct due to the A-Square company no longer being in business . Also , Bruce Bertram is a personal friend of mine and has hunted with me in South Africa . Besides my Professional Hunting , and riflemaking , I am also the sole agent for his brass in South Africa . He is one of the few people I know of that will do short runs of custom cases with personal headstamps . Brad | |||
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500-- His case is .003 smaller at the base and shoulder than T-Rex.Same overall length. They do have proper chamber dimensions so as not to overwork brass...A lot of big cartridge folks make their chambers to sloppy. Brad-Thanks for sending info by email.The pictures and prints were great.I see Bruce made brass..Costs for brass? Too all here--Any of you get in a bind needing 600 OK, I can take this case or T-rex, a 600 OK resize die and using my case spinner lathe,make a 600 OK brass.I just rigged up the pieces to do it.It is really great to have all these wildcat cases to make and do different things with.Ed. | |||
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Ed Cases are made by Bertram in Australia . The base is super thick and strong - will try and send you a picture of one that was cut down the middle . Bruce will shortly be doing a run of a few thousand of them . I guess the cost will be around $6-50 a case . Brad | |||
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Brad-Thanks for info-Yes it would be nice to see pic of a sectioned case.Ed. | |||
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When I first met Mike Rodden at SCI two years ago, he showed me this cartridge. We compared it to the .600OK-1. My .585/.600 OK-1 is quite similar except for the belt. The .585/.600 OK-2 of course is .2 inches longer. The interesting thing is that the GMA action is big enough to hold the .600 OK-2 or .585/.600 OK-2. I hope Bruce makes really really hard cases for this cartridge. Bertram brass has a terrible reputation for being too soft and causing sticky( no extraction) problems in high pressure loads. Both I and AHR talked to Bertram about .600 OK brass and deceided to go with Horneber due to my concerns about Bertams cost, deliver schedule and Quality control.-Rob | |||
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Quote: Brad, since you are friends with BB, I wonder if you could give him some feedback: 1. His 585 nyati cases are soft as dog turds. I only use low pressures in my 585 nyati because at 2250 fps, that is all the recoil I want. But with that soft brass I would not dare try to break 2500 fps which the cartridge is capable of. 2. His 500 NE cases have rims that are too thick. I used a file to file down the ones that prevent my rifle from closing. Due to #1, I ordered 585 brass from Horneber. Due to #2, I ordered 500 NE brass from Bell/Mast. Due to a combination of #1 and #2, I ordered 600 NE brass from Horneber. You can see where this is going. If BB could improve the quality of his brass, he would fare better against the competition. Best wishes and thanks for sharing the cartridge. | |||
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Big Boner Brad! Good to hear from you my friend. I see your project has wings and has gotten off the ground. Excellent. I hunted buff with Brad in 2002 and had a great time with him when he wasn't feeling puny or hopped up on Viagra (don't ask, some guys will try any medication to kill the pain of a toothache). Brad's backup rifle at the time was a customized Brno .500. I guess you still need something bigger! I had Russell down last month and we met up with Huston to trade stories and shoot a few whitetail does. Missed having you down to join us and defend yourself. Hope all is well! Cheers! Russell Marshall | |||
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JESUS and I can't take a 577 at 2150.... jeffe | |||
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How about a few of you wildcatters neck this down to 416, 458, and 500? Any ideas on weight and velocity??? Jeff | |||
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Quote: There must have been something wrong with that stock design. I can shoot 750 grains at 2250 from the bench with no trouble, for up to 10 or 12 shots. My best group is about 1 1/8 x 3/4" at 100 yards. That was with 800 grain bullets. | |||
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Brad, Glad to see you made it here from Cordite. Can I ask you to share your experiences of the 585 on dangerous game with the members here? Regards, Karl. | |||
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Jeffe This one is really gentle at 2150fps - similar to a 505 Gibbs . Know affectionally as " Mother Superior " . Brad | |||
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500Grains & Roger I will be talking to Bruce in the next few day for an order that I need for a show in March . I will certainly talk to him about these problems , and hopefully we can try to find a way to sort it out . Any other problems / queries , please let me know . Thanks again . Brad | |||
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Hi Karl Starting to get clever with this little machine - unfortunately no recoil . Karl asked me a few days ago if I thought there was a noticable difference between the 585 and the 40/45's when used on dangerous game . I tuly believe there is and used the following hunt as an example : We got into a herd of batchelor bulls and a good old bull presented us with a frontal chest shot at about 12 paces . Shot placement was perfect ( 585 Nyati , 2250fps , 750gn Woodleigh Soft ) and the 1800lb+ bull sat down on his backside like a dog . I have never seen this happen with a smaller caliber . As I also mentioned , a 30-06 correctly loaded , with a well constructed bullet , will kill anything on the planet . The advantage you have with a big bore is that you have a little more room for error - perhaps only a second or so , that will allow you to reload and get in another shot . This is in your own best interest when something big , that bites , is only a yard or two away . Also , for most of us , a hunt is an adventure that starts with a phone call or e-mail and ends when your trophy is hanging on the wall . Everything in between contributes to all the memories that are made . Building your dream rifle , for a hunt that you have dreamed about all your life , and then doing the hunt with that specific rifle , makes it even more rewarding . Brad | |||
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Hi Russell Good to hear from you ( Something wrong with you regular e-mail ) Hope all is well with you and your family For all the other guys , just to set the record straight : Half way through the hunt , I developed a serious wisdom tooth problem which was later sorted out with some good old fashion South African surgery . Our good friend , Huston , who was hunting with the other Russell , decided to try and convince me , that the Viagra that he had in own personal medical kit ( I Wonder Why ) , were actually pain killers and that they would sort out my severe discomfort . Russell - I hope to have news on your PAC elephant permit in the next few weeks . Will send the info on to Russell L. as soon as it comes in . Take good care of yourself and I hope to see you soon . Best wishes . Brad | |||
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500Grains Would like to see pictures of your 585 Nyati & 600NE. If possible , please send to rolston585ae@iafrica.com . Many thanks . Brad | |||
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500, it's not the stock... the rifle is a searcy.... it's that fact that I am a sissy after about 90# of recoil. jeffe | |||
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Brad, I am due to buy a digital camera soon and will oblige by posting pics on this website and I will be happy to email them to you as well. You said, Quote: I have shot only a single buffalo with the 585 nyati. I shot a spooked bull broadside at about 20 yards with my 585 nyati pushing a 750 grain tcci solid (looks like an A-Square solid) at 2250 fps. The bullet hit high heart/low lungs. The bull had been closer to us but saw me shouldering my rifle and spooked off to 20 yards. At the shot, the buffalo ran 25 yards and flopped over to do his death bellow. I have heard of buffalo running 1-2 miles when shot with a .375, but did not really know how this experience compares with the likes of a 458 lott. Can you tell me how a buffalo would have reacted to a 458 lott solid in those same circumstances? Thanks. | |||
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Quote: Jeffe, I have good news for you! Double rifles transfer recoil differently than bolt guns. I don't know the geometry and physics involved, but my shoulder and head do. My recoil limit in a doule is 500 NE. My recoil limit in a bolt gun is 600 NE. I find a bolt 585 nyati less uncomfortable to shoot than a 500 NE double. This does not mean that I do not love my double - I do - but I need to know where my limits are and I have found them. So take heart. You will be able to handle the recoil of a 585 nyati with a properly designed stock without any difficulty at all. Aim for 13 pounds of rifle weight including at least 1 and preferably 2 mercury tubes in the stock and you will be surprised at the relative gentleness of its slow push. Try to have the butt of the stock cut big enough to take the largest size Pachmyr recoil pad. I use a Pachmyr trap shotgun pad, not even a XXX. Also, make sure there is almost no drop in the stock, and keep the length of pull near the max for your frame. My final point is that at 2250 fps, a muzzle brake is not even needed. At higher velocities a brake is probably a good idea. | |||
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500grains, This is why I have such a difficult time believing anything you say. If you follow the link, Dan says he is shooting elephant with his 585 Nyati, he even posted pictures at one time. Now he says he has only shot one buffalo bull???  Which is? 500grains elephant cow shot with his 585 Nyati story Here is the post in question quoted: Quote: Another statement of using the 585 Nyati on both buffalo and elephant. Different thread. Here is the post, again quoted: Quote: Here is a link to the thread: Another 500grains 585 Nyati took an elephant story. Consistent stories would go along way to help me believe much of what is stated here on AR. Scott | |||
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Axel- What the hell are you trying to prove here? The fact of the matter is that 500grains is a serious African dangerous game hunter and you are not. Do you think you have a better DG hunting esxperience to share with us? Seat back and relax and you will probably learn a thing or two from him. Quote: | |||
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I read 500 grains posting: "I have shot only a single buffalo with the 585 nyati." within the context of shooting buffalo only. Mike | |||
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