Does the new Model 70 action still have the "Anti-Bind" feature on the bolt? I have looked around, but can't find any mention of it. Thanks

Yes it does. Just looked at the one I have, a 300 WSM from South Carolina.
Just like the Connecticut-made Classic M70s in that regard.

BTW, the RUM-boxed 300 RUM M70 can be windowed a little extra and will fit 3 down in the box of .338 Lapua Magnum. Bolt closes, feeds great with those pointy .338 Lapua Magnum loads. One in the chamber makes it a 4-shooter in .338 Lapua Magnum.

I fireformed some brass to .500/.338 Lapua Magnum yesterday.
The bolt will not close on 3 of those down, but the third surfs off the top of the box, 3-shooter.
I would love to get a custom box for the m70 to hold 3-down in .500/.338 Lapua Magnum, to allow the bolt to close with the fourth round in the chamber.
The shoulder of the .500/.338 LM is blown out too big to fit the RUM box with three down.

Duane Wiebe?

Thanks RIP!

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Originally posted by RIP:
Yes it does. Just looked at the one I have, a 300 WSM from South Carolina.
Just like the Connecticut-made Classic M70s in that regard.

BTW, the RUM-boxed 300 RUM M70 can be windowed a little extra and will fit 3 down in the box of .338 Lapua Magnum. Bolt closes, feeds great with those pointy .338 Lapua Magnum loads. One in the chamber makes it a 4-shooter in .338 Lapua Magnum.

I fireformed some brass to .500/.338 Lapua Magnum yesterday.
The bolt will not close on 3 of those down, but the third surfs off the top of the box, 3-shooter.
I would love to get a custom box for the m70 to hold 3-down in .500/.338 Lapua Magnum, to allow the bolt to close with the fourth round in the chamber.
The shoulder of the .500/.338 LM is blown out too big to fit the RUM box with three down.

Duane Wiebe?

Yes, also, just got friday the first B&M built on a South Carolina gun. Has anti bind in place. I don't know, but I think it looks pretty good. Trigger is good--if it lasts on our B&Ms. Probably be dandy, time will tell. I have 4 more to do this year on the SC guns. Looks good so far.

Picked up another RUM rifle, stainless, delivered today RIP! Slick as can be! Keep up the work on that, and keep us posted.

Michael

Is it possible to get just the M70 action for the RUM / Jeffery bolt face & magazine?

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Is it possible to get just the M70 action for the RUM / Jeffery bolt face & magazine?

Naki

No, has to be sorted out. Winchester did a lot of modifications to the RUM action and magazine box to get the RUM to feed and function. But they never did anything with the bolt face. Seems RIP's guy has sorted those things out with it however.

M

I have ordered Duane Wiebe's XRM box (and his machined stainless steel follower) that is a drop-in fit for the Winchester M70 Classic Stainless 300/375 H&H length.
XRM stands for "Xtra Round Magazine."
Gets 4 down in .375 H&H with the original stock and floorplate.
It has got to be a little wider than the original, same height and length.
The old Pre-64 H&H M70 box was wider than the current one, Mauser cosine perfect for 4 H&H cartridges in the box.
They should have never changed it.
The RUM action simply windows the Connecticut Classic box.
Maybe it will be big enough for me to get 3-down in .500/.338LM.
It certainly should be if I have Rusty window one of those boxes like he re-windowed the original RUM box.
Will see how the feeding is then.
Other mods included a Williams extractor shaped just right for the Rigby rim of the .338LM, and rail and ramp carressing.
We live in exciting times,
if it is this simple to get an M70 working for a .500/.338LM 4-shooter,
that will be very exciting.
If it works, Duane makes a one-piece bottom metal unit for XRM,
as well as a deeper unit of the usual M70 width,
for a drop belly stock.
The box alone is only $47.
The one-piece units are $420.

A hybrid of the XRM width and the extra depth might be the cat's meow for me.
Might fit in the McMillan drop belly stock.
Accurate Innovations might be able to make a drop belly stock with bedding chassis,
bamboo laminate?

Might be an improvement for a RUM-based cartridge, steel follower instead of aluminum, no windows required, and use the original type RUM follower spring with no "loop."
Might be an easy way to convert any long action M70 to .375 RUM, 500 MDM, or 404 Jeffery.
Will report on how it works for RUMs and 404 Jeffery, and .338 Lapua cats.

It will be nice to not have to do all the Lapua cats on CZ 550 Magnum or Dakota 76 actions.
M70s are sexy: Pre-64, Classic, and Myrtle Beachers from SC.

Don't everybody rush to buy these up. Duane only has about 30 in stock. There is a blocked one for 30-06 and short magnums.

www.customgunandrifle.com

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Originally posted by FC363:
Thanks Duane!

Oh yeah, I'm not Duane.

Signed: Rip

Yeah, I had already figured that out and changed the post yesterday

Has anybody tried to fit the XRM to the new model 70 in .375H&h, yet?

threadfin,
Re the FN/South Carolina (hereafter FN/SC) M70:
Your question is, did they change any of the dimensions of the box and bottom of the action from what it was on the Classic/Connecticut M70 (hereafter C/CT).
I am guessing it is the same as the classic in those dimensions.
All I can say so far from first hand measuring of 300 WSM rifles in C/CT and FN/SC stainless versions, short action M70:
They are the same except for the trigger mechanism.
I'll be looking out for that FN/SC long action that handles the 300/375H&H class of cartridges. And have they made a stainless FN/SC M70 in 375 H&H yet?
That will be the reincarnation of the Winchester Wasilla, a much better rifle than the Kimber Talkeetna.

RIP,

Thanks for the reply. I contacted Duane a while ago interested in purchasing one. This was his reply:
"If you mean the FN...apparently there have been enough changes so the XRM won't work...Haven't been able to examilne one close up to see what can be done....trying... Works great for the "classic" Let me know"

Hence my looking asking if anyone had tried it.

Cheers

Well, Ok, then if Duane Wiebe says the XRM box does not fit the FN/SC long action M70 ... then I am glad mine are the Classics from CT.
Hopefully existence of the new FN/SC will keep prices of the old C/CT M70 reasonable.

I am sure the anti bind feature is nice to have but I have never had one of my pre 64 M-70 bind,not even the ones that I didn't polish out, never in 76 years. Makes one wonder!

Ray,
I was just thinking the same thing.
Love that Pre-64 M70 with perfect box size for 4 down in .375 H&H, 300 H&H. or .395 H&H.
And the Springfield-breech-type gas handling of the Pre-64 M70 (should a case rupture) has never worried me either.

Anti-bind bolt feature, and better gas handling with the Classic/Connecticut and FN/South Carolina models, are supposed to be improvements.
And the FN/SC model takes it one more with the new "MOA" trigger, but is that more complicated mechanism really an improvement?

I be still looking to look at the bottom of the action on one of those FN/SC .375/.416/.458 rifles.
I also be still looking for those Duane Wiebe XRM boxes in the mail.

Rip, interested to hear how the XRM box works. I'm in the process of re-barreling a new FN/SC .375 H&H to .400 H&H and have been looking at Duane Wiebe's products. It would be nice to have that fourth round in the mag. The new bottom metal is different from the Classic and Wiebe's response to me was the same as Threadfins. Please let us know if it works, Buying just the box is an easier solution then all new bottom metal.
Thanks and good luck with your project.

Will do. XRM box is meant to try on the 49/.338LM M70 Classic.

RIP, do you have any update on how the XRM box works? I have a classic stainless .300 WBY. that I'd love to convert to something based on the RUM/404J case.

COhunter375:
I posted elsewhere and forgot about this thread, sorry.
The XRM is no good for anything bigger than a .375 H&H-based cartridge.
Jeffery or RUM-base cartridges will work better in the windowed box of the M70 RUM action.
Used to be able to order the box, follower, and spring from Winchester or Brownells.

My old Pre-64 375 H&H would hold 4 down and take a fifth but it stuck up to high to allow the bolt to close. That was using Winchester or Fedeeral brass. When I switched to Remington brass I could close the bolt on 5 rounds. Apparently the Rem brass was just enough smaller in diameter across the belt to allow 5 down. There is more belt than is needed for headspace so that might be a potential solution to increasing mag capacity.

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