I just did a seach on Vais muzzle brakes in the forums. IMHO they are the best. I have one on my 300 UMAG Sendero and it is awesome. However, I saw threads about folks putting Muzzle Brakes on 375 H&H's! Don't do it! You don't need one as long as you have a properly sized and weighted 375 H&H - above 9 lbs.

I have a Ruger 375 H&H and the only mod is a Pach Dec pad. I can quickly and comfortably shoot successive rounds without taking the rifle off the target and my eye off the scope.

Now, I'd be curious what folks think about muzzle brakes on .416 and .458s? I don't have either and wouldn't do a muzzle brake. I think if I had to have a muzzle brake it defeats the purpose of dangerous game rifle.

Austin Hunter
I have had muzzle braked rifles in 257 WBY 300 WBY and 416 WBY, all KDF brakes. They did reduce the recoil QUITE a bit. However I do not own any of them now.

However, I have a 300 Win Mag and a 375 H&H Mog bbl for my Blaser R 93 with Magna-Port. I find the Magna-Port takes quite a bit of "sting" out of the recoil and does not seem to be any louder than a regular bbl.

They do work.
BUT:
They are indeed, very, very, fugly.
They will damage your hearing if not protected - some times even if you are protected.

Add a few unses, reduce your loads, anything to rid the world from muzzle-brakes.

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Originally posted by Austin Hunter:
I think if I had to have a muzzle brake it defeats the purpose of dangerous game rifle.

Huh?

How does a muzzle brake 'defeat the purpose of a dangerous game rifle'?

The purpose of a dangerous game rifle is kill dangerous game. A muzzle brake may make it easier to shoot the gun, especially if it is light-for-caliber.

Your Sendero weighs 10 or 11lbs. scoped, shoots a smaller bullet, but that needs a brake?

George

I personally do not like ported or a muzzlebraked rifle, and do not own any. Got too many damn problems with my hearing as is
However, a muzzle brake does not defeat any purpose of a dangerous game rifle, in some cases it makes it a more efficient for the purpose. If the gun ain't knocking the screws loose upstairs than sometimes that'll make a more efficient shooter, because they'll be more willing to take it out and run a few more boxes of ammo through it before they take it on the big hunt. I got my own 47-year old mother to shoot a .458 win mag effieciently because it was braked.

Crap, need more caffiene. I meant back when my mother was 47...I was 21 at that time. Now I'm a old fart so I don't think she'll be shooting that rifle any more!

Everyone should shoot what they want. I had a detachable MB put on my .404j. After shooting it for awhile I did away w/ it. They are nice for the bench sessions but w/ a bit of practice, you can handle up to the .458wm w/o one. Now when you get into .416wby, .458lott, .378wby. etc. for me a brake is a must, so I don't shot those boomers.

Now wait just one minute!!! My 6mm Remington Ackley Improved has a Holland Quick Discharge Brake, while my two .416 Rigbys don't have any brakes. MAN, THAT 6MM CAN BE A BRUTE---I even had to make it weight 16.5 lbs. just to tame the recoil!!!

Ok, I'll cut to the point: Why would you make such a comment? Can we not, as individuals, do as we please with our own rifles? Some folks have differing tolerances for recoil than others, my dad is a good example. He is 4 inches taller than I am, with an additional 40 lbs (I am 6' 2", 210lbs.), and he shot my first Rigby ONCE and wouldn't ever fire it again. Would I buy him a braked .375? You bet I would, but I love feeling the recoil, it makes me feel alive.

All of the above comments are TRUE.

My 6mm Ackley is setup for a 1000 yard light competition gun, and for shooting the ravenous prarie dog, or our local hot tempered ground hogs (rock chucks for you westeners). It is braked, not only to see the vapor trail behind the 107 gr. Matchking, but also to see the RED MIST!!!

By the way, I love your avatar!!! The Gipper STILL rules!

Muzzle brakes are for target shooters and fags. You don't need it on a hunting rifle. If you can't handle the recoil get a smaller gun or take up kniting or needle point.

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Originally posted by surestrike:
Muzzle brakes are for target shooters and fags.

I'm glad that I am a target shooter, or else I would have to sic the PINK PISTOLS on you!!!!!

Oh no not the dreaded PINK PISTOL!!!

I must offer an apology to everyone on the board with my comment in the above post. let me explain.

I had a guy out at the ranch last week on a pig hunt with a .300 Weatherby with a break.

My friging ears are still ringing I don't know how you break or ported guys do it in the field. Obviously it is to your disadvantage to walk around with hearing protection in especially when hunting hogs in the brush where your first indication is hearing them rustle the grass as they depart.

I was assured by Mr "Broke back rifle" that he would always pause to put hearing protection in before shooting and that I would have time to do the same.

YET ANOTHER GREENHORN HUNTING MYTH DISPELLED!!

Take those F'ing breaks off of your rifles before you go hunting!

He fired three shot about 10 feet off my left side. I thought my ear drums were going to burst. It was so loud it actually made me nauseous with pain.

The only acceptable place for a break or porting is on the target range in a strictly controlled environment.

yeah the brakes do definately make it a little louder, but some people can't tolerate recoil as well as others. i would think that in certain situations that warrant the larger calibers they could literally be a life saver.
the first time i shot my .460 i forgot the ear protection at home in all my excitement. shooting under an awning.

For range work I have no problem with muzzle breaks as long as the guy using one is next to another guy using one so they can piss each other off developing flinch from the blast. For guided hunting it should be a big no-no, deaf guides cant hear an angry animal charging at them.

Regards

Mark

surestrike, thanks for the warning, I won't be contacting you to hunt hogs. I have 3 rifles with brakes, 338,375 &416. I wear hearing protection Electrinoc Shooters Protection which by the way the company is based in Co. They supress instaneously and amp up the sound prior to the shot. The cost about $800 per pair, not a bad price for protectin your hearing. I am sure you are not a quick draw artist or you could get your fingers in your ears quick enough.

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Originally posted by surestrike:

I had a guy out at the ranch last week on a pig hunt with a .300 Weatherby with a break.

My friging ears are still ringing I don't know how you break or ported guys do it in the field. Obviously it is to your disadvantage to walk around with hearing protection in especially when hunting hogs in the brush where your first indication is hearing them rustle the grass as they depart.

No problem. I use my CZ550 in .416 Rigby to long range elk hunt with. I can not imagine what my rifle would be like with a brake! Taking a shot at an elk without ear protection, almost deafened me!!!

Wow, I just hit 500 Posts.

Die Ou Jagter,

Sounds like you've got it covered caliber wise.

I'd be willing to make you a little wager however.

I'd like to bet you one of your rifles that you wouldn't be wearing one of those fancy noise canceling/amplifying headsets very long at my place in Texas in the summer.

I've got a set of Pro-Ears they're great on the range but they make your head sweat like a whore in church in the heat.

About the time the sun comes up and temp gets over 100 with 80% + humidity those things would fill up with sweat, short out and burn your head off.

I have thought however those noise canceling/ amplifying ear inserts that look like hearing aids would be useful I think.

Do you have the electronic ear plugs or the head set?

Austin Hunter,
What you shoot is your business. What others do with their 375's is strictly their business. Who appointed you to the muzzlebrake police force?

I only have one rifle with a brake, a .338. It's on during range sessions and off in the field. I have a thread protector cap for it. I had Hart put one of their brakes on my semi-custom rifle they made for me. I wanted to see what the hub-bub was all about. It makes shooting 250 grainers like shooting a 243 Win.

I have a .416 without any brake. It's heavy enough and will stay brakeless. I also have a .35 that is Magna-ported; I bought it that way. It reduces muzzle flip but doesn't dampen recoil like a real brake.

Anybody that thinks that you don't damage your hearing with un-braked rifles is gonna be deaf by the time their 50. Huh, what did you say? Speak a little louder please.

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Originally posted by surestrike:
Muzzle brakes are for target shooters and fags. You don't need it on a hunting rifle. If you can't handle the recoil get a smaller gun or take up kniting or needle point.

I have seen my share of .50 BMG. rifles and not a single one is without a muzzle brake.Alot of them are bench rest guns,but 50% of what I have seen have been Barrett's.Mabee just mabee I can get F.C.S.A. to knit you up a cozy for one of your rifles.Better yet lets get all those faggot snipers in the Army and Marines to knit you up something special.I guess you have never hunted the deadliest of prey.

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Originally posted by surestrike:
I must offer an apology to EVERYONE on the board with my comment in the above post. let me explain.

Baboon,

This includes you too Mr. sensitive.

How many of your .50 cal buddies hunt with their rifles in the field and use them for snap shooting from the shoulder?

They wouldn’t be TARGET shooting with ear protection would they?

As far as military application, how many of your knitting buddies in the USMC or the Army are shooting standard non .50 cal rifles with breaks?

I've already appologized I'm not going to do it again so why don't you just unwad your panties and relax.

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Originally posted by surestrike:
Die Ou Jagter,

Sounds like you've got it covered caliber wise.

I'd be willing to make you a little wager however.

I'd like to bet you one of your rifles that you wouldn't be wearing one of those fancy noise canceling/amplifying headsets very long at my place in Texas in the summer.

I've got a set of Pro-Ears they're great on the range but they make your head sweat like a whore in church in the heat.

About the time the sun comes up and temp gets over 100 with 80% + humidity those things would fill up with sweat, short out and burn your head off.

Surestrike,

How are you doing these days? I meant to ask about your health but kept forgetting. Will you be out chasing the pigs this summer when it is hot enough to fry them on the ground?

We now return you to your regularly scheduled spat already in progress...

Charles,

You betchaaa!!

I am doing much better and thank you for asking.

I've killed twenty some odd hogs already this year and am breaking in a new dog. The dog is really doing good he's 7 months old and has caught three small hogs blood trailed two to a catch and bayed out two last week although he didn't have enough hair to get them stopped as they were good sized hogs and he was working alone. All in all I am pleased.

I'm moving slower than I used to and am shooting smaller guns but things are looking pretty good and getting better all the time.

I've mostly been shooting my .358win and a my .300win loaded way down to 06 velocity. I did shoot my .375 a couple of times last week killing two hogs with it. I didn't have any problems but I am being cautious and only shoot it from a standing position.

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Originally posted by surestrike:
Charles,

You betchaaa!!

I am doing much better and thank you for asking.

I'm very glad to hear it.

It sounds like the hog population is holding up as well!

I have used MagnaPorting and loved it. I have two guns with KDFs and they work but are noisy and am going to get rid of them. I got the KDFs as I had a torn rotator cuff at the time and wanted to continue shooting. They served their purpose but am heeled now and no loinger need them. Prefer long barrels and heavy guns.

Hey surefire,

check with my wife (or girlfriend) if you need to: but she doesn't think I'm a fag and I got Vais brakes on most of my thumpers. BTW, my standing offer to anti-brake folks is to line up and shoot my big DGR rifles without the brake, the first twenty rounds bench or offhand are on me. But, if you don't finish all twenty you have to buy the ammo...and finish that Case-Gard 100 off...from the bench. You also have to wear a dress, makeup, and let us call you Mable. Out here in Idaho being "manly" is keeping track of how many paternity suits you have been named to, and how many dependent exemptions you can legitimately claim on your taxes each year.
Hope your gender issues clear up before hunting season.

Rich

Sorry but if you need a muzzle break, there must be something wrong! Recoil is not that bad and you can condition yourself to the punch. The people I hunt with in Africa hate to see a person show up with one of the 'dildos' attached to the front of their rifles. They are extremely hard on the ears and not appreciated.