Actually I think anyone would like the Brockman if they used one...The peep closes flush and it has a very strong spring in it...I have only used mine of a 21 day Safari, but I see no reason for it to not work perfectly...It does not require a high base and Jim is now makeing them even lower by milling off the bottom and lowering putting the cut lower and that lowers the whole rig..

I also have a couple of Talleys and BTW if you buy a NECG .007 partridge sight, you just file it to zero for elevation and it is windage adjustable...Its a great sight, but subject to loss or being left someplace as it detaches..Also Talley sometimes does not keep them in stock as they are pretty slow sellers I'm told..

All in all the Brockman peep sight is a real benifit to a DGR IMO..I intend to use them on most of my guns..

I would have gone with the Brockman sight, if I had known about it before I bought this one.

But the Brockman still doesn't allow the use of the variables like the 1.5-5X and other Vari-X III's? Nor does it allow the use of a 2.5X Leupold because one runs out of scope tube when backing it up enough to clear the ocular bell from the top of the pushed down peep on a long action rifle. Could off set rings be used with the Brockman peep, and would that kill the eye relief, as well as the low mounting? Ouch? Will the newer Brockman peep offer any improvements in these regards?

None of these problems occur with the NECG peep. If one cannot keep up with his peep, he might as well pack it in and stay at home.

I used a 3x Leupold with a 4x extra on my 404...Didn't use a varible...A varible is not a requirement on a DGR, just something else to break for the most part..Although I can use a 1x4 with the brockman peep. Actually I find the 3X Leupolds to be the best scope on any DGR IMO...

I use Talleys and the Talley peep on my other DGRs that I use varibles on...To me the NECG set up is bulky and not pretty, and if it doesn't look good on my rifle, I will fret awhile and then get rid of such stuff, thus my experience with the NECG QDs....

Thanks for the info (and pic) on the sight. I guess I'll call them to make sure I order the right base for the site and get the right hole spacing.

Brockman sells the peep as part of a set of bases, so order direct from him and he will send you a set for your gun...

Talley does not have any of his peeps in stock as we speak..but they are an addition peep that one carries in his pocket and slips on after the scope is removed..The Brockman pops up when the scope comes off...

The Brockman is the best route, and Talley will tell you that as he sanctioned Jims pop up peep...

But doesn't the Brockman pop-up require a rather high mounted scope? I prefer my scopes right down dead on the receiver, or as close to it as you can get. The pictures I have seen of the Brockman lead me to believe that it is high enough to allow one to use those enormous Euro-scopes they hunt with in the moonlight.

Young at Heart Sarge,
The issue with the Brockman sight is the scope power ring. If the scope is long enough (like a Leupod fixed 4x) the pop up sight portion is under the scope tube and there is plenty of clearance without mountin the scope 3" above the bore.
Caveat-I don't have one of these sights (yet). This is my understanding from viewing pictures and talking to people who do have those sights.
JCN

JCN,
Correct as usual, Ray showed us that lesson with his .404J CZ 550 Magnum. The Brockman will not allow use of some scopes.

Now heresy: The new Leupold QRW or Warne Maxima (both with square recoil lugs on the bottoms of the rings, and both made by Warne, I'd say) is a more rugged mount than the Talley QD's. It is also lower and smoother profile and more pleasing to the grasping hand when scope is removed. It is also less expensive in money and time waiting for the order to arrive.

I still find the Talley's to be works of art, and grab any I find on the shelf anywhere, but would be perfectly pleased with the Warne Maxima or Leupold QRW for any rifle.

I would use the NECG peeps or Talley peeps, and never be limited on scope Choice by the Brockman peep.

Even the African Sheep Rifle (.404 Jeffery) may get a banded front sight and an NECG peep to go with the QRW's.

The African Sheep Rifle II (proposed .416 Dakota) may have the Talley bases and Peep, just to be magnanimous.

Talley has moved from Wyoming to South Carolina, eh?

No curve ball. They moved to SC. Here's the address:



http://www.talleyrings.com/



I just picked up another set of Talley CZ rings at my local dealer today, and last month I found a set in SD. Before that I ordered a set of CZ rings and it took over a year to get them. Maybe their move had something to do with the discombobulation. The increased demand for CZ also.

Another point: When I called Talley, they indicated that their removable sight had no elevation adjustment. I can't remember if they said that it had windage adjustment or not. Plus it was on a long backorder.

Steve

Here are some close ups of the talley peep.

The knob is to attach it to the mounts. The windage, is asjustable by removing the peep portion and there is a small set screw holding the peep sight in a dovetail. In the first picture you can see a hole on the top. Access the screw via that hole and adjust with a small allen wrench. I can take another picture if you would like. My camera isn't the best, but I try. To be truthful, I haven't had the time to use the peep yet, I am working more hours a week than I like to admit. It seems to be a well made product.

Thanks, that explains it adequately.

George

George,



The Brockman pop-up worries me a little in that spring loaded pop-up mechanisms sometimes bind. I can see pulling off the scope for a big animal up close or in the rain and not noticing that the peep is stuck at less than the adjusted elevation. Probably paranoia. But my new Leupold scope just did that (the spring bound up, which kept it from being adjustable), and that's a sealed, clean system compared to the environment the peep has to work in.



Ray Atkinson indicated he hasn't had any problems with his, but hasn't really used it, either. In general, I'd prefer something always attached, but I think I'd like something that flips up and locks in place. Not sure if something like that's available, though.



Steve

The NECG peep sights for the Ruger base and for the QRW/Maxima base are windage and elevation adjustable.



One would have to do more tinkering with the front sight bead/post to get the Talley sighted in than with the NECG.



Talley's are cool, but the NECG/QRW-Maxima has some definite advantages over it.



I do not even want to consider cocking piece peeps. Rube Goldberg contraptions! The Brockman peep is a Rube Goldberg, Jr. contraption.

All this sounds like so much trouble. When was the last time a Leupold scope failed. Seems like you either use a scope or the peep. For backup, I have regular open sights, and only took a scope off once to use the open sights.

So why bother with an "emergency peep." If it really is an emergency, who cares whether it is a peep or rear sight?

Pretty soon, you'll have to take a gunsmith along on a hunting trip just to manipulate all this "stuff."

Will,

It's just another of 10,000 happy little details we like to obsess about.

George

Will, you cantankerous old curmudgeon,
It is because the peep is superior to any open rear sight. A peep is almost as good as a low power scope.

Sure, the ultimate is a Leupold scope, and a front sight on the barrel, with no open rear sight, but a peep to go on if the scope ever fails and you have no backup scope.

Better to have a backup Leupold too.

I think I would have no problem keeping a peep in a pouch on my ammo belt.

I must be snake bit as I have had two new Leupolds fail in the past two months. I purchased a 2.5x compact (supposedly the scope for big bores which can take the punishment) that failed after about 30 shots through a 458 win. mag. Leupold did fix it and I recently sold that scope on this site as I had purchased another (which seems to be holding up just fine)...probably should have kept it for back up...

I also had a new 1.5-5x Leuplod VX III crap out after about 50 rounds of 375 H&H...Sent that back to Leupold after returning from Africa...I could see better with my eyes than through that scope while on the trip...

I have experienced more "bad luck" with scopes and rifles recently than over the past 25+ years. Hopefully that will change. Thankfully, I always take two rifles and for my African trip I did take an extra scope that was already sighted in....I guess it pays to be prepared for the worst!

I guess my recent experience shows even a quality product like Leupold or others can have problems and testing your equipment before you head out is most important. Back up is cheap when compared with the worst of alternatives....