I shoot a Hornady 350 grain sn bullet 2500 f/s in wet phone books and it over expand.

And when i shoot the Hornady 500 grain sn bullet 2650 f/s in to the wet phone books, then it dont expand at all. Just a hole of 12 mm in the wet phone books....and the phone books were about 50 cm, and the hornady went throw whit non expansion.

What is wrong whit this bullet....?

Tim

- turn the bullet around with leadnose forward............

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UH

Oh, it penetrated 10 inches into the tree.

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Shoot well, and hit hard.

Arild.
(And YES, I'm a NRA member!)

I have had similar performance with 416 soft points on moose and elk. They did not seem to expand at all. The entrance and exit wounds were the same size with relatively small wound channels. Actually I have had 410 grains old style soft point Woodleighs fired at 2600 fps from my 416 Rigby punch nice little .416 diameter holes though 12 oak logs and keep right on trucking through the woods.

Todd E

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RAB

First of all, I have to get a clarification. Did you recover the bullet and see that it had not expanded or did it penetrate out the backside of the wetpack and leave a small exit hole? Many people here and elsewhere have made statements like, "I know that the bullet did not expand, because the entrance and exit holes were the same size" or "the exit hole was tiny so I know it did not expand at all", etc. This is a false assumption. Let me say that once more. You cannot determine the expanded diameter of a bullet by looking at an exit hole. Ever. Skin is extremely elastic. At low velocities a bullet can cause the skin to stretch, exit and then the skin can shrink back to a much smaller diameter than the expanded diameter of the bullet. I know this is wet paper but the same thing happens here. The hole at the end is often smaller than the bullet.

I'm not ranting at you, Overkill, just trying to make a point for everybody. This is not a weird occurence it is typical. The big holes are usually more a result of bone fragments or else a high exit velocity (or, not infrequently, both).

I have gotten very good expansion in a wetpack with this bullet at 2000 fps and I expect some would be seen as low as 1800 fps. I am hard pressed to believe that any .458-500 gr round nosed soft point bullet made in the world would fail to expand at this velocity in a wet medium. Anything is possible, but I will be surprised to hear that.

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Do you think that a 750 grain woodleig soft point at 2500 f/s will over expand if you shoot a 200 kg moose behind the shoulder and not hit much bone...?

Harald,

I am going to do a new test soon, this time i shoot in a big tree. Then i see if it have expand....!

What do you think about that...?

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Originally posted by Overkill:
Tood,

Do you think that a 750 grain woodleig soft point at 2500 f/s will over expand if you shoot a 200 kg moose behind the shoulder and not hit much bone...?

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Why do you want it to expand?

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Originally posted by Overkill:
Harald,

I am going to do a new test soon, this time i shoot in a big tree. Then i see if it have expand....!

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Why do you want to shoot big trees?

What if it doesn't expand?

What if it does expand?

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Originally posted by Overkill:
Tood,

Do you think that a 750 grain woodleig soft point at 2500 f/s will over expand if you shoot a 200 kg moose behind the shoulder and not hit much bone...?

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Sorry, Overkill, I misread your post. I didn't notice that you said over-expand.

Best way to find out is to shoot a moose behind the shoulder with the 750. If you lose too much meat, or if the bullet showers the countryside with hamburger and the moose keeps on running and you never catch him, then it over-expanded. Otherwise, it didn't.

My money is on the bullet, not the moose.

How can you tell the moose weighs 200 kg unless the bullet kills him and you weigh him?

And by then your question is moot.

Pick da BIG MOOSE!

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Actually, I never recovered that particular 410 soft point. I assumed that it did not expand due to two things:
1.) The log did not move at all per witnesses
2.) The exit hole as no bigger than the entrance hole.
I had become accustom to seeing splinters fly on the exit side so I just assumed it did not expand. It could very well of failed and the jacket was all that exited for all I know for sure. I was surprised to say the least at the size of the exit hole.
My favorite penetration test have all been conducted with .416 400 Speer Tungsten solids and small block Chevy V8 short blocks! Muzzle velocity was around 2700 fps as I recall. Actually split a main journal!

Todd E