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Yup. "Live by the bull, die by the bull" That would make a pretty good motto for most of us AR posters... ![[Big Grin]](images/icons/grin.gif){kind=icon} | |||
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Triggerhap2, nobody needs to flame you, your own words do that for us! This is only my opinion,so I speak only for myself, but anyone who considers a Cape Buffalo as only A WILD COW, had better stay in NY, where the most dangerous thing is a driver, behind the wheel of a cab! I submit, if you get into the thick jess with a big bull Buffalo, the piss will be running down YOUR leg, when you fail to stop him with the first shot, which is the case with 99% of the time with buffalo, and then the second shot does not work, because of a jam, or broken extractor, if you have time for the second shot at all! I don't think anyone here is "scared shitless" to use your words, or we wouldn't hunt these Buffalo, but haveing a real respect for their ability to soak up big bullets like a sponge, and a need for ABSOLUTE RELIABILITY in one's rifle, is the mark of a sane man, who has been there, not an opinion from a rocking chair, in front of a TV watching wild kingdom! To simply say "God's will" sounds nice while sitting in front of a computer. There is another thought, as well, "GOD HELPS HE WHO HELPS HIMSELF!" If you ever go to Africa, and I doubt you ever will, please let us know how many Cape Buffalo Bulls you flatten with one shot! I await your score!! ![[Roll Eyes]](images/icons/rolleyes.gif){kind=icon} [ 06-22-2003, 00:32: Message edited by: MacD37 ] | |||
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Mac37, Whew, all that hot air about blew me over,all the way up here in NY. Hell, the piss runs down my leg when I get out of bed in the morning. Like I said before, if the big cow intimidates you that much,that a claw on the bolt is the deciding factor on whether or not you hunt the "BIG COW" than stay home on the couch. Stop your moaning, and just put up or shut up. Trigger | |||
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I am not a big rodeo fan, but I seen a little on TV..... Would not want a "domestic" cow to run me down either. | |||
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quote:Mac, You are dead on right. I hit my Buffalo with a fatal shot the first time, but he didn't know it. The shot went through one lung and the top half of the other lung from my 458 Lott. Without hitting the CNS, many Buffalos will not just drop and die as many that have never hunted one seem to think. Sometimes they just die when they are good and ready. My Buffalo wasn't ready. The Buffalo took off and the PH and I took off after him. We were in a dead sprint firing and loading our Lotts at this "Wild Cow" before he got to the thick stuff. I hit him a total of 6 times out of 9 shots. It was sprint, load, stop, and fire. Sprint, load, stop, and fire. This went on for about 400 yards. I was pleased that my hit percentage was higher than my PH's. He was 2 out of 6. ![[Smile]](images/icons/smile.gif){kind=icon} My rifle was a Winchester Custom Shop 458 Lott that I personally checked the feeding of each round before I packed the ammo for Africa. A push feed may have worked just fine, but there is a much smaller margin of error in my opinion. A CRF rifle is the equivalent of an automatic transmission for a car. In my case, a push feed rifle may have been like driving a standard transmission in stop and go traffic, while talking on the cell phone, eating a burger, and spilling my drink in my lap. Somethings just tend to complicate the situation needlessly. | |||
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quote:Mac has put up. Several times. So that would just leave you to....... | |||
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O.K. Longjohn, that would leave me to do what? What has Mac done?? And are you his official A.R spokesperson now, or just his right hand man, when his gets tired? | |||
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Trigger, In your own words "it would leave you to put up or shut up." I have respect for people that speak from experience. Not ones that try to baffle the others with their own line of BS. Which you seem to have plenty of. I'm not AR's offical spokesman, nor do I portray myself as such. I speak from my own experiences and state my opinions as such. I do not try to portray them as facts unless I am able to support them with other evidence. You seem to type with an alligator mouth and a canary ass. Your talk of "For all you girlymen who have no faith in a push-feed, why don't ya'll stand on the hundred yard line and let me cycle 1000 rounds through my weatherby, and if after the 999th one, I don't get a jam, I get to pull the trigger at 1000. Don't worry, it'll be a flesh wound, and we'll make it a 3 shot group to see if that 1.5 inch group gaurantee holds true also. Any takers???" is unadultrated crap. The difference between people like you and I is that I don't make a statement that I cannot back up. Go ahead and rant on. You are removing all doubt about your general makeup. | |||
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quote:Tumbleweed You forgot the best part. After you fire the first round, you bend down with your butt in the air. The Buffalo will think you are kissing your ass goodbye and give you an extra second. The reality is, you are picking up all (both) of the cartridges that fell out of the magazine when the floorplate fell open under recoil. | |||
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Hi Longjohn, I see you have lots of hot air too. Hey if you don't care for a pushfeed rifle, than don't use them. I've used them for over 20 years and have yet to have a problem with one. Now i'm sure you've traveled worldwide in all conditions to test, and provide exacting data on the inadequate functionability of a pushfeed rifle, so we won't go any further into that.If you don't care for my wording in my posts, you can feel free to kiss my ass. I don't care what you think. Trigger | |||
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Trigger, Not only are you full of BS, you cannot read. How about I help you with some bold letters from my post. A push feed may have worked just fine, but there is a much smaller margin of error in my opinion. Keep posting. You are quite entertaining. | |||
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My 378 feeds perfectly, but there are 2 additional factors as far as its suitabilty for DG 1 - The magazine holds only 2 rounds. 2 - The magazine lips are very stiff and it takes much more effort to snap in a round compaired to a Mauser staggered magazine. (I've read this before about the Mark V's with the 378 base cases, not sure if its true for them all) | |||
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sjmci You can now by a floor plate that allows three 378s to be held. I don't know if it fits both US and Japanes made rifles. You should load that magazine through the bottom. Just iopen the floor plate and drop two cartridges in. Mike | |||
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Mac, To paraphrase a sleazy gun dealer I once dealed with- Your definition and my definition of a dangerous game rifle obviously differ. Brian. PS-In case you were wondering,said sleazy gun dealer said "your defintion and my defintion of 99% obviously differ".I sent his peice of crap rifle,which was no more than 70% (that's being optomistic-the stock had stains on it that made it look like a road map!)back to him,and he begrudgedly sent my money back. [ 06-23-2003, 13:56: Message edited by: Brian M ] | |||
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I really don't care either way about this arguement other then not a single point here is based on "FACTS". If a CRF is better then a PF then great, if a PF is better then a CRF, whop dee doo, just back it up with other then the "Let me tell you boys I've killed 6 Buffalo and I know all there is to know about DGR's". The same peope that will argue over PF vs CRF are at the boat launch on the weekend argueing their Yamaha outboard is better then a Honda, their English lab is better then an American lab and fly fishing is far superior to bait fishing. | |||
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When I was hunting buffalo in Zimbabwe, about half of the PH's I encountered (with other clients) had CRF rifles, and half did not. And, as you might expect, the CRF people had dogmatic opinions about how necessary the claw extractor is. In medicine we have been practicing outcome based treatments for sometime. In other words, what actually works when you examine the data. I know of NO information regarding more feeding problems in push feed rifles vs. CRF...everything is anecdote. The most common feeding problem I have seen personally...against dangerous game and non-dangerous game alike, is the magazine release popping open and dumping all the cartridges after firing the first shot of a heavy recoiling rifle. I have never seen a single african hunter address this issue (i.e. blind magazine), yet I have little doubt that it is a bigger problem than short stroking the bolt. The CRF people have lots of heat to bring to the discussion....but very little illumination. By the way....anyone know of a current military rifle that is CRF? They are all gas/recoil operated push feeds. I think the hunting in Bagdhad is more risky than Africa. Garrett | |||
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Garrett I don't know if the military analogy is of value. For example, would a military aeroplane go through the same degree of checks as a commercial aircraft? Personally, I think the main advantage of CRF is the ability to cycle cartridges without having to chamber them. I also like CRF because you can push the bolt forward but not turn the handle down and just be a bolt close away from firing. However one only needs to pull the bolt back to remove the cartridge from the chamber. PF requires the cartridge to be chambered or to pull the bolt back and hold the rifle up and generally fiddle about. Mike | |||
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DG & African Hunters , I think we may have found someone who is very brave behind a keyboard ... He has mouth but does not travel... Nor understands what has been written... Mike | |||
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quote:Amen! | |||
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quote:The military analogy IS of value. Military aircraft are held to higher standards than civilian aircraft. I know this from first hand experience. | |||
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Controlled feed was designed to reduce malfunctions caused by human error. The faster a push feed cycles, the more reliable it is. An automatic push feed is inherently more reliable than a manual push feed, because it reduces the possibility of human error. However, anyone who has had to clear a double-feed in an M-16 under "stress" would not be impressed by push feed autos. | |||
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