Norma African PH Ammo

30 April 2007, 08:39

465H&H

Available in bonded softs and FMJ (Woodleigh, I would guess).

350 grain in 375 H&H
450 grain in 404 Jeff, 416 Rigby and 416 Rem.
550 grain in 450 Rigby Rimless.

Also available in standard weights in 458 Lott (500 grain), 470 Nitro (500 grain), 500 Nitro (570 grain) and 505 Gibbs (600 grain).

465H&H

30 April 2007, 09:05

Michael Robinson

Too heavy for caliber across the board. I don't get it.

30 April 2007, 09:24

500grains

The heavy for caliber theory was promoted by Kevin Robertson and adopted by Norma. It is a more widely accepted theory of cartridge performance enhancement among African PHs than the American (i.e., Roy Weatherby) theory of a lighter bullet going faster.

But it's your hunt, so take the ammo that you feel comfortable with.

30 April 2007, 09:42

jwp475

There may be some merit to the theory.......

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30 April 2007, 13:03

Will

There is only going to be so much energy packed into a cartridge case. Hence lighter bullets go faster, etc.

For the same energy of both bullets, heavier bullets have higher sectional density and hence, on paper, have greater penetration even though the velocity is smaller.

Heavy bullets giving greater penetration is not a new concept. Taylor talked about it and I'm sure he wasn't the first. Kind of like sex, everyone thinks they invented it!

While others may argue about it, Norma moves on, in the correct direction.

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30 April 2007, 13:21

Wink

If the ammo really is destined to be used by PH's, then one could assume it would be used at rock throwing distances. In that case nobody cares about performance at 200 meters. But one would be interested in maximizing clout at the 15 meter range.

30 April 2007, 19:08

465H&H

Heavy for caliber bullets just plain works for close encounters of the personal kind. Not only do these bullets provide greater penetration they also provide much greater stopping power.

465H&H

30 April 2007, 19:35

.366torque

quote:
Originally posted by 465H&H:
Available in bonded softs and FMJ (Woodleigh, I would guess).

350 grain in 375 H&H
450 grain in 404 Jeff, 416 Rigby and 416 Rem.
550 grain in 450 Rigby Rimless.

Also available in standard weights in 458 Lott (500 grain), 470 Nitro (500 grain), 500 Nitro (570 grain) and 505 Gibbs (600 grain).

465H&H

Yep! Copied from Norma's site.

quote:
2007-03-15
Norma African PH

Norma's new range of large game cartridges, African PH, has been received with great interest by hunters all over the world. The cartridges are loaded with Australian Woodleigh bullets. To start with, 9 different calibers are introduced with Soft Nose and Full Metal Jacket respectively, in the following weights:

375 H&H - 22,7 g / 350 gr

404 Jeffery - 29,2 g / 450 gr

416 Rigby - 29,2 g / 450 gr

416 Rem Mag - 29,2 g / 450 gr

450 Rigby - 35,6 g / 550 gr

458 Lott - 32,4 g / 500 gr

470 NE - 32,4 g / 500 gr

500 NE - 37,0 g / 570 gr

505 Gibbs - 39,0 g / 600 gr

02 May 2007, 08:57

458Win

Did anyone notice the velocities they are advertising with the Lott ? 2100fps with the standard 500 gr bullets. There is a general belief among some serious, highly experienced, African PH's that those velocities work best.
I certainly plan on duplicating their 375 H&H load with the 350 Woodleigh bullet at 2300 fps in the new Ruger 375 for my use during this next bear season.

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02 May 2007, 09:13

Paolo9,5x73

Can your avg. pro-hunter actually afford this stuff?

What you have here is Hollywood starlet GUCCIMO! They also load Weatherby ammo.

02 May 2007, 10:48

404WJJeffery

These larger grain bullets will result in greater recoil, unless they load down the velocity. I couldn't figure out how to use their ballistic table.....are loading these with less velocity to keep the recoil down?

02 May 2007, 23:10

asti

I have a magazine that lists an even heavier bullet from Normas PH-line, a 380 grain bullet at 670 metres per second,
Aouch!

02 May 2007, 23:29

mr rigby

I saw on the Rhino page that the Swedish importer loads the 380 grain bullet in the 375 H&H at ca 1090 Swedish crown for 20 rounds, and that aint a bad price i think for such an big game stopper load.

Interessting concept of the ammo, get the KO factor and ammo out where it belongs, in the game at close range.

I hope the .450 NE 3.25 inch will be a part of their setup also. It deserves that honor.

04 May 2007, 10:51

Paolo9,5x73

670m/s from what barrel length?
What is the overall length of that cartridge with 380gr slug? I would not want to make "drop feeder" out of my bolt gun!

04 May 2007, 20:31

ozhunter

I have seen great results with the heavey 350grn woodleighs from the 375H&H at around 2300fps.
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04 May 2007, 21:50

bigdoggy700

The little brochure that I just got shows most of the ammo is loaded at lower velocities than you would expect.I would also guess that it is to keep recoil down. The 458 lott they list at 2100 ft/sec might as well be a 458 win mag. They do show some hand loading figures that use lighter bullets on the 505 gibbs. The 525 grain bullet for the 505 Gibbs gets another 1000 ft.lbs of energy over their factory 600 grain bullets.

04 May 2007, 23:11

dean119

Anyone see this ammo available in the US yet?

05 May 2007, 22:13

cewe

If you need info on the PH line ask Husky as he has a lot of knowledge/info on it.

05 May 2007, 22:14

lb404

I have not seen any troubles with the lighter than normal bullets from GS Custom or North Fork and at normal for caliber velocities. I think with the quality of bullets we have now there is not the same need for the heavy for caliber bullets as there once was.Fifteen one shot kills with these bullets is not definitive, however they are more evidence that they do work.

07 May 2007, 12:13

Don Heath

They are also loading to a lower pressure than standard for the modern rounds. 50,000psi. Wish they would offer a 'tropical' load for the weatherby rounds as well!

07 May 2007, 18:38

400 Nitro Express

quote:
Originally posted by Don Heath:
They are also loading to a lower pressure than standard for the modern rounds. 50,000psi. Wish they would offer a 'tropical' load for the weatherby rounds as well!

If the 500 grain Lott at 2100 is 50,000PSI, then it sounds like somebody finally got factory ammo for the Lott right.

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08 May 2007, 21:47

mr rigby

interrestingly they load the .404 Jeffery, 416 Remington and the .416 rigby with an 450 grain bullet. great news that i will get an .404 soon and more bullets to choose from

09 May 2007, 00:56

.366torque

quote:
Originally posted by mr rigby:
interrestingly they load the .404 Jeffery, 416 Remington and the .416 rigby with an 450 grain bullet. great news that i will get an .404 soon and more bullets to choose from

What make or action?

09 May 2007, 01:43

mr rigby

M98 VZ24 action and in English style rifle that is previously owned and it has shot seal, grousem moose and Red deer here in Norway.

It will be a thread on it here when i get it .