I'd think they would sell more 550s in 416 remington mag than in 416 Rigby....

GonHuntin,

If all the various 416 calibers were bought for just very big game hunting, I think you would be right. However, I would say most 416s, like 375s and 45s are bought for rocks, trees, paper, deer, pigs, goats, kangaroos and rabbits etc and I think CZ would hardly sell a 416 Remington if they made one, as compared to what they sell in 416 Rigby.

I strongly suspect that most "rock" shooters who want a big bore but with cheaper components, jump straight to the 375 H&H and 416 Remington does not get much of a look.

Mike

GH,
I wonder why you would think that? I know why they don't, as the rigby CAN fit in the action, there's no reason to sell the "pretender". I have a 416 rem and a 376 steyr... and the most common thing out of my mouth is 'they are the same as the 375 hh and 416 rigby"

jeffe

Because the .416 Rigby is just so

And the .416 Rem is as Jeffesso said

Jeefesso made anothet fine point it FITS. Other companies already chamber the .416 rem markets mainly covered but the .416 Rigby previous to CZ was a special/expensive proposition. IMHO it is a brilliant marketing ploy by CZ.

Like Jeffe and PC said...

Kristofer

Ehh.. check the bottom of this page , maybe only availabe in Sweden and with a straight stock.

http://vapex.se/index.php?&PAGE=products&PG=301&NLL=12,276,294,301

All the best
Jens

I think I recall that CZ-USA actually advertised the upcoming introduction of the .416 Remington first and then decided to go with the Rigby.

Well....let me see.......why a 416 rem mag instead of the rigby????

416 Rigby brass is over 4 times more expensive than 416 Rem. brass......

from the limited data I have seen, the 416 Rem. does everything the Rigby does with substantially less powder....

416 rem factory ammo is cheaper and easier to find...

So, other than the "coolness factor" (which doesn't put game on the ground!), why choose the rigby over the remington???

Gonhuntin,

.416 Rigby Brass is just as hard to get in Oz as .416 rem, with CZ chambering this classic round I think the situation with brass for the rigby may improve.

Does Remington the founder of the .416 Rem still provide brass for it's invention

The Rigby can out do the .416 rem if one wants to go that way, it can get neally get to .416 weatherby ballistics with good handloads.

Do you not agree that CZ had to offer some thing different than the .416 rem mag ?? The .416 Rem mag shooters will always lean towards the M70 I think, and the big action would as others have said be a waste. I think it's ggod for the history of the .416 Rigby round to have a commercially chambered rifle for it. In fact we are damned lucky to have them, know one else will offer us this big action in a good chambering at such a reasonable price.

I suppose we all have to realise that human behaviour naturally has an inherent bias towards what we know or in our case what we own. I just think it is a great thing to be able to buy a classic caliber in a big stron actioned rifle at a good price. I love my cz .416 Rigby so much that one day I am going to purchase a second one

PC

I think it's great that CZ offers the 416 Rigby for those that want it......I just wish they made it in 416 Rem. too!

I think alot of the can , rock , and pig shooters would pick the Remington version if they had a choice . For one thing , the smaller case would be much better suited to reduced loads . Brass availability also favors the Remington whether factory stuff is being cranked out or not . You will always be able to get ahold of cases of some caliber suitable for reforming to .416 Remington ; much easier than Rigby and at a far lessor cost .

I think for the serious big game hunter , the Remington has a few points that favor it over Rigby too . Bulk of the ammo has to count for something , as well as magazine capacity .

GonHuntin,
I agree with you and I think it's time. CZ made the correct choice in selecting the Rigby over the Remington, providing the offering of both was not feasible at the time. I would think that they should now also offer the Remington version, if only on a limited basis, initially. The magazine capacity alone would be justification for it and the field-ready weight would provide a very comfortable shooter, indeed.

[ 11-13-2002, 07:34: Message edited by: Nickudu ]

Hey PC
Just if your interested Rebel Gun Works has Rigby brass (Norma) for $72 per 20

Bakes

GonHuntin,

Don't forget that all CZ rifles are made in CZ Rep. In EU the .416 Rem Mag is very rare, the .416 Rigby is a most common caliber.

But if you are a few to want a CZ rifle in .416 Rem Mag don't hesitate to let know that, to CZ headquarters. I know they listen to their customers.

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I'd think they would sell more 550s in 416 remington mag than in 416 Rigby....[/QUOTE]

ksduckhunter,

What really matters is where does CZ SELL most of its rifles. If the answer is Europe, then your comment makes sense. If the answer is USA, then it doesn't.

Think about it.[/QUOTE]

I fully agree with you. This is why I have adviced to send e-mail to CZ headquarters. As I'm not a CZ's employee I can't do nothing more.

GonHuntin, I'm not sure I agree that they would sell more rifles in 416 Rem than Rigby. I do not think the rarity in Europe of the 416 Rem is the answer either. Ruger decided on the Rigby over the Rem for their 416 offering. I don't know of any manufacturer who offers both 416's in their rifles. Why should they? Cost is not really a consideration if you reload and the Rigby has the advantages of rich history and low chamber pressures behind it so that, provided your action can take a round of this length, the choice seems to me to be a no-brainer!

Thanks Bakes,

I have to get myself some better brass than Bertram mate.

Nickudu hit the real nail here. Magazine capacity in the CZ 550: 5 Rem's and 3 Rigby's.

This is a no-brainer, if you are going to hunt dangerous game. 416 Rem.

Will

I think they would sell more if they made the stock in the American Classic style. I know I would buy one. Just can't seem to bring myself to take the plunge with the European stock. But I would buy it in the Rigby chambering.
Doug

What I was trying to say, was that the 416 Rem mag is available and the only one who needs to be informed about it is CZ-USA.
Although I have not actually checked with the firm (Vapex)selling them over here.

The mag holds 4 in 416 Rigby, at least in my rifle.

All the best

Jens

[ 11-13-2002, 06:18: Message edited by: Jens ]

Jens,
Do me a favor, please?? With 4 Rigby rounds in the magazine, will your bolt close over a top-fed 5th? Sometimes the bolt will not clear the uppermost cartridge, effectively rendering the capacity to strictly what fits in the magazine.

Thank You!

Nickudu,

mine holds 4 in mag and the bolt will go over the four rounds, it's just a bit of a pain trying to snap the extracter over the cartridge rim. When I loaded it to capacity last time I kind of got the 5th into the claw and held the others down and it worked. Someone said on a thread however that it was an easy job to modify the extractor so it would snap over a cartridge dropped into the chamber. I see though the website states 3 in the mag. You apparently can get your CZ's altered so that you could fit say 6 .375's in the mag and 5 .416 Rigby's in the mag. Apparently that is not such a tough job either. Hope this helps. Nickudu does your .505 gibbs have three down on that cz ?? My .585 has been modified to hold 3 down.

PC - Odd. The two Rigby CZ's I checked wouldn't do that. Huh. Yes, your local man can easily bevel and polish the outside of your extractor so it smoothly snaps over the rim of a top-fed cartridge. I insist on this in a DG rifle but others prefer to bend the extractor with the thumb until the claw snaps over because they feel that beveling the outside substantially weakens the hook (I disagree). Still others refuse to do either of the above and forego top-feeding altogether. My .505 allows 3 and a top-fed 4th.

Big bore lovers don't want anything readily available or cheap. Besides it takes a man of class and testicular fortitude to shoot the almighty Rigby.
Lifetime CZ lover and rigby shooter

Nickudu,

what do you mean by the "push the extractor with your thumb method thumb"

CZ 550 I am in agreeance with you about the cz's there awsome for people on a budget like myself and I get heaps of gun for the money.

PC - To ensure that the hook is properly positioned in the extractor groove after having top-fed a cartridge, a squeeze or press of the extractor at mid-body often produces a most reassuring "snap", letting one know all is well. This subtle movement tells you that the claw had been riding the cartridge rim to some degree and your flexing of the extractor allowed it to fully engage. I sometimes do this anyway, even with the beveled claw.

Thanks Nickudu,

I have no loaded rounds for my .416 Rigby at the moment, I pulled them all as I loaded them to hot. When I re-work my loads I will have a muck around with your idea.

Thanks Recono,
Weird thing if some do and some don't eh? Maybe a difference in follower contour / thickness or a slightly different spring loop (?). Looking forward to hearing from you.

Terribly sorry for the misinformation above.
I checked with the swedish dealer and he could not confirm the 416 Rem chambering.

Nickudu,
You are absolutely right, for the fifth to feed You need to thin the follower just a hair.

All the best

Jens

I agree with the 450 Rigby caliber.

It would be easy for them to do and they would sell a bunch to those who want a powerful .458" instead of a $1,500 Weatherby. Who knows though.

***Realistically I'd want them to change their stocks on the 550 Mag to an 'American' style BEFORE they came out with a 'new' chambering.***

ps. I'm glad they came out with the Rigby in .416
I'll check how many mine will hold tonight and let y'all know in the AM.

If CZ wants to sell some rifles, it shoudl chamber the CZ550 in 500 jeff and 505 gibbs.

People would buy them.

500,

I would buy there .500 jeffery in a heart beat !! Best suggestion on this thread yet.

If CZ wants to sell some rifles they should chamber them in .600 OverKill!

500grains,
If CZ wants to sell some rifles, it shoudl chamber the CZ550 in 500 jeff and 505 gibbs.
People would buy them.[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure that so many people will by a rifle with this calibers. But idea is good to have an affordable rifle in thi caliber. I'll vote for a .450 Rigby.

Nickudu,

My stock CZ 550 in .416 Rigby will not close with 4 rounds in the mag. The bolt face overlaps the cartridge head by at least a tenth of an inch. Furthermore, if I actually put four rounds into the mag, I get to find out what a hinged floorplate is for. As the bolt PUSHES the round forward, the guide rail (left side) holds that round parallel to the other cartridges until the bullet hits the feed ramp, and continues to hold it. With three rounds in the mag, the bolt pushes forward until the head can dive into the mag then pop up into the bolt face, at which time extractor-controlled feeding commences. In other words, this is definitely a three-round mag for .416 Rigby, and I wouldn't be too sure that messing with the follower (the BOTTOM, I presume) would help.

But you probably knew all that. Just wanted to confirm, as you requested, that my CZ was the same.

Recono

BER007

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Don't forget that all CZ rifles are made in CZ Rep. In EU the .416 Rem Mag is very rare, the .416 Rigby is a most common caliber.

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are you drin..sorry, let me rephrase that politely, are you sure about that? As far as I know, no european maker offer, or has ever offered, a mass-produced (affordable) 416 Rigby, but at least Blaser and SAKO (or perhaps not any longer?) chamber rifles for the 416 Rem. Not to mention that in scandinavia at least US rifles are very, very common. I have never seen a 416 Rigby chambered rifle here in Norway, but I have seen a few of the Rem. variety. Belgium is of course some distance apart from Norway, both geografically and culturally, but you are describing a whole other world. It has also been my impression that until only a few years ago the only really available action that would take a Rigby was the Brno/CZ magnum action, and that only custom gunmakers made 416 Rigbys with those actions, putting out a few guns every year. And from where has these "most common" Rigby owners got their ammo? I have been told that Kynoch stopped production in the sixties, and no other european ammo maker has loaded the Rigby until very recently. Very odd. I honestly don�t mean to be rude or sarcastic, but in Scandinavia the 416 Rigby is most uncommon, and Belgium is only, what, one day by car? If Belgium is flowing over with Rigbys you got to let me in on this and tell me where to get one!