Last sat. shot a mule deer doe with my 375 ultramag, she was approx. 100 yards and slowly bounding away. When i skinned her out only found one hole the size of a golf ball through the ribs, my friend suggested maybe i hit her in the backend somewhere and it exited out the ribs. anyway she went about 50 yards after being hit and piled up. tons of damage inside,the bowels were all torn up, what a mess. anyway i will have chops and bkf. sausage when she gets back from the butcher. Load was 92 gr. imr 4350 and 300gr hornady rn interlock. I also learned not to keep your water jug in the back of the truck as i was going to wash her out and my water was frozen solid, still learning every year. After seeing the damage i thought maybe i should have used my mosin-nagant or 30-30 but i sure do like big bores (large medium bore) rifles. Still looing to fill my cow elk tag, seasons not over yet!

Billy,
I suggest that you use a stouter constructed bullet and you won't have to deal with that mess. Also don't shot them up the pipe, I am sure their are a lot of does to pick from, so shoot the next one broadside in the ribs behind the shoulder and you can eat to the hole...Another tip is to slow that puppy down to about 2300 FPS...Africans do this for eating stuff.

I have shot some plainsgame with the GS flat nose solid and it just dumped them and no bloodshot mess at all....YOu can crank it up as fast as you like...that flat nose works...Better check the game dept. policy and law on solids first..otherwise use the toughest 300 gr. bullet or the 350 gr. PP from Woodleigh...I used a 300 gr. Woodleigh RN on elk in my 338 and it didn't tear the elk up at all and killed him plenty quick...works well on deer too.

Good deal Billy375. I shot a little mulie buck with a .375 H&H this year. I was using a 235 gr. Barnes X over 83 gr. of IMR 4350. Hit him in the chest and it came out his right shoulder. Tore up the shoulder. I like what Ray said about using a stouter bullet. Might try that but I do want to use the Barnes X on elk and see what it does.

Ray thanks for the advice, hornadies will be out next year except for hitting gongs and paper. Have heard nothing but good on the woodleighs. WyoJoe good job let us know if you get an elk.

Billy,

Ray is right. I used my .416 Rem Mag with Barnes X-bullets (at 2400fps) on a bunch of Whitetail does and hogs last season as I was trying to practice shooting and stalking before an upcoming hunt and had NO problems with meat damage.

Regards,

JohnTheGreek

I took whitetails with the 570 "X" bullets in my .505 and they worked quite well in that there was no sign of excessive damage or meat loss.

I've done the same with the 450 "X" in the .458 Lott, the 350 "X" in the .416 Remington and the 270 "X" in .375. Using "X" bullets from 210 to 270 grains in .375, I have also taken fox, coyote and a few dozen woodchucks with acceptable results.

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billy375,
I used a 375 RUM on a white tail buck this morning here in Kentucky. I shot from a tripod stand as the buck sneaked through the woods. Got him between trees, and luckily no brush deflection. 50 yards away.

I hit him in the ribs with a 300 grain Swift A-Frame. There was a .375 caliber entrance wound, with about a 1/2" segment of underlying rib blown away, and a 2"X 1" oval exit wound through an offside rib. The heart was grazed on its inferior and posterior surface, left ventricle, both lungs were mushed, the liver and stomach were split, and corn, acorns, and vegetation were floating in a blood filled body cavity when I gutted him.

There was no meat damage, "right up to the hole." He was a healthy young six-pointer, about 200 pounds on the hoof. Meat! I only have the opening day and closing day of the season to hunt, so am not choosey this year.

The buck kicked his hind legs, staggered 20 feet and fell dead.

This was a Remington factory load from my "fast" 23" rifle (a CZ 550 Magnum action in custom walnut stock with Winchester barrel), 2784 fps. The Remington M700 factory rifle I have with a 26" barrel does about the same velocity, nigh onto 2800 fps.

Eventually I will work up some 300 grain X-Bullet loads for this poor man's 375 Saeed, 2650 to 2700 fps with good accuracy (hopefully) and low pressure. Otherwise a different bullet.

I am making empty brass from the factory loads, but at the rate of one bullet per deer it is a slow process. A doe is next.

DaggaRon congrats on the deer. Suprised there was no blood shoot meat, on mine there was approx. softball sized bloodshot in the rib area loads range 2750-2800 with 300gr bullet. Was thinking about the swift A-frame bullets for handloading next year. Taking my wife out later today hopefully will see what a 150gr hornady spirepoint at 2500fps will do(reduced load 270). It will be her first deer hunt.

Dagga Ron I would love to see a pic of your .375 rum on the cz action if you have one please. It sounds awesome.

[ 11-10-2002, 16:00: Message edited by: PC ]

billy375,
The Swift is so tough it does not explode like a Hornady. It does make secondary missiles out of bone fragments, however.

PC,
I will try to take a picture of this CZ-Winchester-hybrid-poor-man's-375 Saeed and post it this weekend. Now I am sitting in a 50 hour CME course for the rest of the week, so probably will be off the board for the rest of the week, unless I happen on a PC in Lexington KY that someone will loan me time on when I am not asleep.

Looking forward to it Dagga ron

PC,
Let me see if I have gotten the pictures of the 375 RUM CZ 550 with Winchester barrel and custom walnut stock to post:

Nope. Will try again.





Well, there it is finally, the deerslayer!

[ 11-16-2002, 12:31: Message edited by: DaggaRon ]

Gentlemen

What kind of velocity can be obtained from the 375 RUM? Are they in the same range as 375 wby and 375-404?

I guess the 300-380 grainers are the best suited weights for this cartridge

Nice looking rifle, I would like to have win 70 style safety on it. I guess we all have different opinions about it
Cheers
/ JOHAN

Dagga,
What a GREAT looking rifle. I really like the winnie barrel with the "flat" barrel band.. my 416 is the same.

The hogs i look last weekend, with 225 gr hornady at 2850, was bloodshot to hell and gone, but a small exit wound... entry wound on left shoulder, facing me, exit wound last rib, right... about 1.25"... guts turned "grapelle" "grap'ul" is how you say it.

My 416, at 2400, "blunk.. blunk" what meat loss?

The hornady 225 is designed for the steyr, but seem to have stay pretty much together, which is kind words from me for light hornady bullets.

jeffe

JOHAN,
Thanks. You are right about the 3-position safety, which ought to be added on later. The photography is pretty poor, blurry, colors not true, but it gets the basics across. The single visible cross bolt on the stock is nicely done exposed steel, but it just looks like a smudge in these pics. There are hidden cross bolts also in the stock adjacent to the barrel recoil lug, the primary action recoil lug (that makes two in this area), and in the trigger well area.

This 23" barrel gives 2784 fps with factory loaded Swift 300 grain A-Frames. I will load it down like Saeed does his 375/404, in the future. 300 grain X-Bullets at about 2650-2700 fps, for low pressure and best results, assuming good accuracy.

Jeffe,
Thanks for your comments too. Whacking off the threads of the Winchester Super Express barrel and rechambering left that barrel mounted swivel base just far enough out with this stock. The sight bases, front and rear, are soldered and screwed. The fold down Winchester rear sight is not the best, but it will be a backup to a peep sight in the future, though the 1.5-5X Leupold is the primary sight.

I do have some QR CZ/BRNO rings with levers, but the standard CZ rings work fine.

It feeds and ejects just fine after a little work. This was a 375 H&H CZ 550 Magnum action. It has all been refinished to match, in one of those matte black finishes that Kevin Jenkins, The Gun Tailor, does. He offers it in OD green too. It is harder, more durable, and corrosion resistant than any bluing or parkerizing. It involves baking on some selenium sulfide material or something I do not fully understand, but I have never seen it rust, on several guns I have had finished in it.