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CNN is having a poll on whether the UN is attempting to take away the right to bear arms.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/21/un.us.small.arms.ap/

Thought you guys would want to vote.
 
Posts: 2153 | Location: Southern California | Registered: 23 October 2005Reply With Quote
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Polls can be written so as to get any answer the guy who hires the pollster wants to get.

Some are helpful and accurate but others are just used to develop propaganda.

Some media outlets, such as those based in Hollywood, just seem to think that if they can convince their readers or viewers that other people are thinking a certain way that they will be able to convince more people to jump on the bandwagon.
 
Posts: 1116 | Location: asted@freenet.de | Registered: 14 January 2006Reply With Quote
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DITTO Ted! you've got that exactly right! I voted anyway though. Mad



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Posts: 8351 | Location: Jennings Louisiana, Arkansas by way of Alabama by way of South Carloina by way of County Antrim Irland by way of Lanarkshire Scotland. | Registered: 02 November 2001Reply With Quote
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The way the poll was phrased strikes me as funny...

The notion of "illegal" gun trade is at issue: are only licensed guns going to be legal? There has been significant UN pressure applied to a number of African countries to extend their licensing programs to comply with UN standards -- why not the US by treaty? Then again, how many guns is too many to license? More and more trouble...

Most of the US does not require a license to simply own a pistol. Much of the US allows some kind of licensing to carry pistols. NY State requires a license just to OWN one. South Africa requires licenses just to own rifles -- and there are restrictions on how many one may own. Other countries require that the guns be kept locked up at a club. Now, the UN says that this conference only applies to inter-country rules for shipping firearms, BUT the UN has already been applying intranational pressure on similar issues. PLUS, once ownership has moved from right to privilage, people like Rebecca Peters, Barbara Boxer, etc, will be pushing to make the privilage unavailable.

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Bulldog563,

Thanks for this post. I hope everyone here votes in this poll and shows CNN what they think of its BS.

Some information that CNN didn't bother to give:

1. The anti gun conference was sponsored by the UN along with IANSA who believe that no one in the world should own a gun. Those who would like to reconfirm this only need to watch Wayne Lapierre's debate with the IANSA's Rebecca Peters in Cambridge available from the NRA. The story that this is nothing to do with individual gun ownership is bullshit

2. The meeting was scheduled for July the 4th but Shashi Tharoor of India (one of the conference's biggest supporters) and Kariyawasam's college Jayanta Dharmapala of Sri Lanka are both contenders for the UN Secretary General's post after Kofi Annan's thieving term ends this year. When both realised that they would face stiff opposition from the US due to lobbying by the NRA against support for their candidature, they quickly moved to postpone the date

3. Last but not the least, didn't CNN's biggest shareholder, Ted Turner give $ 1 billion to the UN some years ago? Considering the anti gun and anti hunting BS that CNN puts out all the time, I can't not see a thread of an anti gun agenda in this poll

The only minus point in this is going to be that CNN would actually get some hits on it's website - the channel as well as it's website's viewership has been declining very sharply of late. We may give them a temporary spike in the number of people who go there when we vote in their poll. Big Grin


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The CNN poll is rigged. From another forum:

It seems that the poll is rigged! I voted "Yes" using 3 different browsers (so as to beat the browser tracking cookies which prevent people from voting more than once) BUT the total number of "Yes" votes displayed remained the same all three times at 32225 votes....

So unless they are limiting it to one vote per IP (really silly as corporate networks have hundreds, sometimes thousands of machines behind one external IP), it would seem that they are either moderating the votes OR not registering additional votes OR simply that they have pre-decided what the outcome of the poll should look like!

Cheers!
Abhijeet

Anyone doubt that Crappy Nonsense Network are slimebags?


Mehul Kamdar

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."-- Patrick Henry

 
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The vote numbers are changing although the percentage is staying fairly constant.
 
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The issue of the UN trying to control guns in our country (as well as the rest of the world) has been around for a few years...it's not entirely new.

I'm having an extremely difficult time imagining an UN soldier coming to my house here in the USA to confiscate my gun. Really folks.....this is seriously out to lunch thinking.....this isn't going to happen....


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OK -- here's what the UN has to say about their disarmament conference:

http://disarmament2.un.org/cab/poa.html

However, I believe that is barking up the wrong tree -- or rather, it is only a part of the UN effort. The stronger effort comes from this:

http://www.unodc.org/pdf/crime/a_res_55/255e.pdf


quote:


Article 6
Confiscation, seizure and disposal
1. Without prejudice to article 12 of the Convention, States Parties shall
adopt, to the greatest extent possible within their domestic legal systems, such
measures as may be necessary to enable confiscation of firearms, their parts and
components and ammunition that have been illicitly manufactured or trafficked.
2. States Parties shall adopt, within their domestic legal systems, such
measures as may be necessary to prevent illicitly manufactured and trafficked
firearms, parts and components and ammunition from falling into the hands of
unauthorized persons by seizing and destroying such firearms, their parts and
components and ammunition unless other disposal has been officially authorized,
provided that the firearms have been marked and the methods of disposal of those
firearms and ammunition have been recorded.

Article 7
Record-keeping
Each State Party shall ensure the maintenance, for not less than ten years, of
information in relation to firearms and, where appropriate and feasible, their parts
and components and ammunition that is necessary to trace and identify those
firearms and, where appropriate and feasible, their parts and components and
ammunition which are illicitly manufactured or trafficked and to prevent and detect
such activities. Such information shall include:
(a) The appropriate markings required by article 8 of this Protocol;
(b) In cases involving international transactions in firearms, their parts and
components and ammunition, the issuance and expiration dates of the appropriate
licences or authorizations, the country of export, the country of import, the transit
countries, where appropriate, and the final recipient and the description and quantity
of the articles.

...

Marking of firearms
1. For the purpose of identifying and tracing each firearm, States Parties
shall:
(a) At the time of manufacture of each firearm, either require unique
marking providing the name of the manufacturer, the country or place of
manufacture and the serial number, or maintain any alternative unique user-friendly
marking with simple geometric symbols in combination with a numeric and/or
alphanumeric code, permitting ready identification by all States of the country of
manufacture;
(b) Require appropriate simple marking on each imported firearm, permitting
identification of the country of import and, where possible, the year of import and
A/RES/55/255
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enabling the competent authorities of that country to trace the firearm, and a unique
marking, if the firearm does not bear such a marking. The requirements of this
subparagraph need not be applied to temporary imports of firearms for verifiable
lawful purposes;

...



The burden of this lovely piece of stuff includes the import rules most of us have enjoyed going into South Africa and other states that have signed on. It is one reason we cannot leave guns behind anymore.

Points of impact have to do with how to keep track of where these guns have gone... they have to be able to track them. That implies registration rules -- and likely licensing to enforce it. Another piece involves the tracing of the manufacturing of ammo. That will hit reloaders -- and each of us know how much we like to reload. In Africa, you HAVE to reload to get by (even until brass wears unbearably thin by US standards).

It isn't all paranoia. I fear the NRA needs to be barking. The problem is that many of these conferences have occurred outside of the US. The International Arms conference is the only one in the US at the moment, and the most visible target for complaint. It is not the only UN activity, nor is it the only shell with a nut under it. The UN wouldn't hold *that* conference in the US.... what a shell game.

Dan
 
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In today's Toronto Star there is an article about Canada's former attorney General Rock ( and now Canada's outgoing ambasador to the UN (and an anti-gun extremist)about how the UN is being threatened by John Bolton.

Strings are currently and simultaneously being pulled not just by CNN but by other world media as well.

They want the guns and they want unelected world government by bureaucrats. They want to centralize power into the hands of a few elitists.

Such institutions are for sure the enemy of human liberty. They really are dangerous.
 
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Keep voting guys and post the link to all the pro gun forums you are a part of. When I voted a couple days ago it was 43% to 57%.... We're making progress!
 
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This conference to review progress seems to have very little review, but a lot of representatives calling for adding requirements of participating nations to impose Australian (or stricter) gun controls on all non-governmental (civilian) citizens.

Dan
 
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