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CNN is having a poll on whether the UN is attempting to take away the right to bear arms. http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/21/un.us.small.arms.ap/ Thought you guys would want to vote. | ||
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Polls can be written so as to get any answer the guy who hires the pollster wants to get. Some are helpful and accurate but others are just used to develop propaganda. Some media outlets, such as those based in Hollywood, just seem to think that if they can convince their readers or viewers that other people are thinking a certain way that they will be able to convince more people to jump on the bandwagon. | |||
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DITTO Ted! you've got that exactly right! I voted anyway though. Doug Humbarger NRA Life member Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 72'73. Yankee Station Try to look unimportant. Your enemy might be low on ammo. | |||
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The way the poll was phrased strikes me as funny... The notion of "illegal" gun trade is at issue: are only licensed guns going to be legal? There has been significant UN pressure applied to a number of African countries to extend their licensing programs to comply with UN standards -- why not the US by treaty? Then again, how many guns is too many to license? More and more trouble... Most of the US does not require a license to simply own a pistol. Much of the US allows some kind of licensing to carry pistols. NY State requires a license just to OWN one. South Africa requires licenses just to own rifles -- and there are restrictions on how many one may own. Other countries require that the guns be kept locked up at a club. Now, the UN says that this conference only applies to inter-country rules for shipping firearms, BUT the UN has already been applying intranational pressure on similar issues. PLUS, once ownership has moved from right to privilage, people like Rebecca Peters, Barbara Boxer, etc, will be pushing to make the privilage unavailable. Dan | |||
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Bulldog563, Thanks for this post. I hope everyone here votes in this poll and shows CNN what they think of its BS. Some information that CNN didn't bother to give: 1. The anti gun conference was sponsored by the UN along with IANSA who believe that no one in the world should own a gun. Those who would like to reconfirm this only need to watch Wayne Lapierre's debate with the IANSA's Rebecca Peters in Cambridge available from the NRA. The story that this is nothing to do with individual gun ownership is bullshit 2. The meeting was scheduled for July the 4th but Shashi Tharoor of India (one of the conference's biggest supporters) and Kariyawasam's college Jayanta Dharmapala of Sri Lanka are both contenders for the UN Secretary General's post after Kofi Annan's thieving term ends this year. When both realised that they would face stiff opposition from the US due to lobbying by the NRA against support for their candidature, they quickly moved to postpone the date 3. Last but not the least, didn't CNN's biggest shareholder, Ted Turner give $ 1 billion to the UN some years ago? Considering the anti gun and anti hunting BS that CNN puts out all the time, I can't not see a thread of an anti gun agenda in this poll The only minus point in this is going to be that CNN would actually get some hits on it's website - the channel as well as it's website's viewership has been declining very sharply of late. We may give them a temporary spike in the number of people who go there when we vote in their poll. Mehul Kamdar "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."-- Patrick Henry | |||
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The CNN poll is rigged. From another forum: It seems that the poll is rigged! I voted "Yes" using 3 different browsers (so as to beat the browser tracking cookies which prevent people from voting more than once) BUT the total number of "Yes" votes displayed remained the same all three times at 32225 votes.... So unless they are limiting it to one vote per IP (really silly as corporate networks have hundreds, sometimes thousands of machines behind one external IP), it would seem that they are either moderating the votes OR not registering additional votes OR simply that they have pre-decided what the outcome of the poll should look like! Cheers! Abhijeet Anyone doubt that Crappy Nonsense Network are slimebags? Mehul Kamdar "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."-- Patrick Henry | |||
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The vote numbers are changing although the percentage is staying fairly constant. ------------------------------- Some Pictures from Namibia Some Pictures from Zimbabwe An Elephant Story | |||
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The issue of the UN trying to control guns in our country (as well as the rest of the world) has been around for a few years...it's not entirely new. I'm having an extremely difficult time imagining an UN soldier coming to my house here in the USA to confiscate my gun. Really folks.....this is seriously out to lunch thinking.....this isn't going to happen.... /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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OK -- here's what the UN has to say about their disarmament conference: http://disarmament2.un.org/cab/poa.html However, I believe that is barking up the wrong tree -- or rather, it is only a part of the UN effort. The stronger effort comes from this: http://www.unodc.org/pdf/crime/a_res_55/255e.pdf
The burden of this lovely piece of stuff includes the import rules most of us have enjoyed going into South Africa and other states that have signed on. It is one reason we cannot leave guns behind anymore. Points of impact have to do with how to keep track of where these guns have gone... they have to be able to track them. That implies registration rules -- and likely licensing to enforce it. Another piece involves the tracing of the manufacturing of ammo. That will hit reloaders -- and each of us know how much we like to reload. In Africa, you HAVE to reload to get by (even until brass wears unbearably thin by US standards). It isn't all paranoia. I fear the NRA needs to be barking. The problem is that many of these conferences have occurred outside of the US. The International Arms conference is the only one in the US at the moment, and the most visible target for complaint. It is not the only UN activity, nor is it the only shell with a nut under it. The UN wouldn't hold *that* conference in the US.... what a shell game. Dan | |||
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In today's Toronto Star there is an article about Canada's former attorney General Rock ( and now Canada's outgoing ambasador to the UN (and an anti-gun extremist)about how the UN is being threatened by John Bolton. Strings are currently and simultaneously being pulled not just by CNN but by other world media as well. They want the guns and they want unelected world government by bureaucrats. They want to centralize power into the hands of a few elitists. Such institutions are for sure the enemy of human liberty. They really are dangerous. | |||
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Keep voting guys and post the link to all the pro gun forums you are a part of. When I voted a couple days ago it was 43% to 57%.... We're making progress! | |||
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This conference to review progress seems to have very little review, but a lot of representatives calling for adding requirements of participating nations to impose Australian (or stricter) gun controls on all non-governmental (civilian) citizens. Dan | |||
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