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Stainless classic. Who has done it? Velocity lost? Muzzle blast? suggestions? Looking to lighten it up.

Thanks for the info


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I cut mine to 21" and it helped a lot. I then had it turned down to ftw contour and love it.


Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship
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I cut a remington to 21" and notice no more muzzle blast.
Velocity was lost of course but I'm still pushing a 270 tsx at 2700 fps. Which is fine by me
 
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I cut mine to 21" and it helped a lot. I then had it turned down to ftw contour and love it.

Hey Phil
Any noticeable change in accuracy?
I have a Stainless Classic too, very very accurate rifle but it is heavy, been thinking of trimming to 22" and re contour but scared that it may not be as accurate.....
 
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Thanks Phil. Sounds like a plan
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I cut mine to 21" and it helped a lot. I then had it turned down to ftw contour and love it.


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The accuracy on mine wasn't any too good at the beginning <2moa> and neither the cutting or turning seemd to change things either way. But it sure is light and handy and 1 1/2 to 2 moa is plenty for the animals I use it for.


Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship
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Pierre Van Tonder has an old iron sighted pre war model 70, no blue, drift wood looking stock, 20 inch original barrel and its a tack driver..Id give my left nut for it, I have shot a lot of game with that old gun..tried to buy it year after year, to no avail.

Just get after it, still gets you the ideal 2500 FPS with a 300 gr. Woodleigh. dancing


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Mines a bit better than that and yeah it's not a varmint rifle
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The accuracy on mine wasn't any too good at the beginning <2moa> and neither the cutting or turning seemd to change things either way. But it sure is light and handy and 1 1/2 to 2 moa is plenty for the animals I use it for.


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I found a load for mine that it really likes with 300 grain TSX Barnes and Reloader 15 powder, shoots 5 under an inch if I'm doing my part, have shot several 3 shot groups that are .6" (yes at 100 yards) 2.5-8 Leupold on it.
Shooting the way it does I'm wondering if I should mess with it however it is heavy and I'd hunt more with it if it were trimmer.
 
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Why would you
do that? MAYBE a big boomer, but I wouldn't even do that.
 
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The portability of a short barreled 375 is wonderful. I am going to do mine that way once I figure out what fiberglass is going to replace the wood stock for hunting.

21 is a really good place to start.
 
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I went McMillan


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I have a HS Precision for my Ruger African. I am thinking about doing the same for my M70. I'd like to try an Echols' Legend.

Maybe I can fingerbang one at Safari Club.
 
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The portability of a short barreled 375 is wonderful. I am going to do mine that way once I figure out what fiberglass is going to replace the wood stock for hunting.

21 is a really good place to start.


I put mine in a B&C Medalist with the aluminum bedding block. Worked well for me. Minimal grinding to fit the trigger guard.


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Less expensive for sure. I have one on a factory Winchester and seems like a nice stock.


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The original rifles H&H built for their 375 H&H round weighed 8 1/2 pounds. They were well balanced with realatively long, slim barrels.





The longer barrels were good with iron sights and the loads of the time but with our modern loads it is easy to match or better the original ballistics with shorter barrels.


Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship
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It really depends on where and what you're hunting with the .375 H&H ...

In Africa, especially for longer shots, I'd keep the tube to 24" minimum.

Up in Alaksa, out in the bush, a 21" barrel would be handy and very manuverable for quick shots on something close and nasty, and moving fast.


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Mine is cut to 21" and with the heavy fluting and Brown 'pounder stock is spot on for me. Working loads now for spring bear next year and it is doing well enough with the 270 gr TSX.

 
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Boxhead,

That's a nice practical rifle, no doubt. .458 Win's is prettier, not even open to debate.

By the way .458, I really like the stippling on top of the receiver.

I like both working rifles and pretty rifles -- partial to working rifles, frankly -- but I don't like short barrels. Or on doubles either.
 
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The stippling was done on most mausers to remove the military markings. Can't have a Holland Rifle with Swastikas on it.
 
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That is a nice looking rifle to be sure! Mine is a Sako Kodiak, w 21.5" bbl. easily sub moa at 100 yds with factory ammo - either Rem 270 gr SP or Swift A frame in 300 gr. I'm working on loads in 270 gr Swift A frame.
 
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Getting it cut to 20" so the hole for the front sight is removed. Going to get front sight re attached. Was only 23 1/2" from factory strange. How much weight did that fluting take out? I may do that as well. Plus getting stock lightened.


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How much weight will a 20" heavy contour .375 lose with 6 flutes? Anyone know?


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Not sure, 20" is totally sufficient for the 375 HandH. Or Ruger. I'm sure you will still be able to get 2700 fps with a 270 gr bullet. And have a real handy rifle.


Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle."
 
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I have a Win. .375H&H that I had cut down to 21" with no regrets.
 
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We had my son's LH Model 70 Classic in 416 Rem cut to 22" It's absolutely fine, having the barrel contour turned so it's lighter would be awesome too, they are so barrel heavy. Replaced the sights with NECG, put Talley QRs and a 1.5 - 5x Leupold on it. Nice rifle.


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I have never felt these bigger calibers killed with velocity anyway, they kill with mass of bullet and cross section of bullet..I know some claim the .375 as a long range caliber but its trjectroy is about that of a 180 gr. 30-06 unless you go with monolithics and the in itself is a misused bullet in many cases in that it sheds velocity quickly and in the ultra light for caliber is fails to penetrate contrary to some stuff I have read. IMO you can go one weight below a standard for example you can shoot a 150 gr. Monolithic as opposed to a 180 gr. Nosler or whatever and get about the same result...but realms of knowledge have and will continue to be expressed on this subject! sofa


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19 1/2" Looks great. Perfect. Did not lose much weight may flute it but will shoot it first. Still 8 lbs 14 oz in McMillan stock no scope. Looks great with that short barrel and very handy.


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I cut the barrel on this rifle, I think the piece weighed 2-3 oz. the scale not accurate at that point.
It does look better, I may cut mine to same length.

Mark
 
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Cut my M70 Safari Express to 22", still getting 2550fps with 300grain Barnes TSX and Swift A-Frame (using H4350) accuracy 3/4MOA
 
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Why so long??! rotflmo
I ♡ the short barrels...16" 600s on down! Shorten your forend "African" Style and it will look in perfect proportion! The animal Will NOT know the differnce when you smack him right!


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Good job Mark looks clean. The rear screw for front sight looks funny, was there a problem? As long as it does not fly off I'm OK with it.
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I cut the barrel on this rifle, I think the piece weighed 2-3 oz. the scale not accurate at that point.
It does look better, I may cut mine to same length.

Mark


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Cut my custom Rem.721 375 H&H to 20" and installed a muzzle brake. Velocity loss was negligible.
Accuracy was neither better or worse.


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I have been back and fourth on barrel length with most calibers all my life..I am a bit extreme in that I like a short fat barrel or a long slim barrel at 20 or 26 inches..For off hand shooting, at least this week, I like the 26 inch barrel and see no real advantage to a carbine length except for horseback, but that's apt to change anytime now! shocker

Bottom line is both suit me just fine, as long as they are accurate.


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I agree with Ray. I like a barrel of 26" on a bolt action rifle. I'm thinking of having a .500 built and will probably go to 25". Hate super short barrels. You give up too much for limited gains in handling.
 
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I am exactly the opposite. 26" tube unless on a target rifle is an abomination Big Grin


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I have rifles with barrels from 21" to 34",single shots,Double rifles,lever action & bolt action,my latest is a custom built on a win 71 lever,the barrel is 26",I chose the longer length to get the most speed,I am pleasantly surprised with this gun,it weighs in at 8.9 oz balances perfectly,easy to carry,I would not hesitate to get a longer barrel any more as long as the weight is reasonable & it is light to carry.


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