If you're satisfied with a 750gr bullet at ~2,000FPS, what weight rifle would you build? Thanks!

FFg

13 - 14lbs. I have a .577 at 12 lbs and it will slap you silly.

FFG,

If you decide to get your self a well made Sissy Slot (Jeffeso ) then I agree it could be 11 or 12 pounds. With no break I would want it 13 pounds. Mine is 13 pounds with a break and I am only shooting the 650's between 2400-2500 fps, despite this and my sissy slots after my first dozen shot shooting session at a few hoppers I had two panadol and two asprin. I think for comfort reasons stick to 13 pounds.

Jeffo, I did not have time to properly develop loads with 750 woodleigh's and I am waiting to my Horneber Brass arrives and I get my exams finished.

From what I understand the .585 is a poor mans .577

Do .577's come in bolt guns or only in pricey doubles

Jeffeso,

I am a disgruntled welfare worker. I think we should have the American sytsym of 6 months and then your cut off (is that how it is ??). The Australian systym rewards laziness and thus the lazy genes just keep getting trasferred to the next generation of scum bags whom take from the wheel barrow and don't contribute. Politicions would be better off worrying about these people who cost our society big $'s instead of worrying about law abiding gunowners whom contribute postivily to the economy (If your wealthy enough to own firearms such as nice sporting rifles, then your obviously contributing positivly to your country).

Sorry about my ramblings !!

Two and a half years ago I decided to return to Uni and study Commerce with a major in Accounting and I finish up at the end of this year. We have exams at the end of every semester with tests & assignements in between.

Will they ever Drop enough or should I just add more beer

I agree it's hard to fit everything in, and I have tried my darndest not sacrifice my "gun lifestyle".

What are you studying Jeffeo ??

[ 10-05-2002, 03:02: Message edited by: PC ]

PC,
our system seems to reward the deadbeats as well, but I haven't keep up with it. There WERE to have been some changes, in that there was a timelimit, then then off, but my taxes haven't gone down until a texan was voted in.

I reverted from natural science bio-chem (100 hours, and I quit?) to History and accouting, 12 years later.

I am trying to talk a mate of mine into letting me take the brake off his 50. it only weighs 22lbs, but has a REALLY short barrel, like 20". He can't get decent velocity out of it, so it's fun to play with...

Which brings me to a funny story...

He bought this monster, for a good price as it came with a leupold fixed 12, and it's right at 29" overall (semi bullpup) with the scope mount a might close for ME.
He's got shorter arms, and we had been shooting it on the bench, and we measure how far it "slide" back under recoil.. about 6", with a "loose" hold.

So, he's shooting it offhand at 50, and I am shooting a pedersoli double BP 58 (feels just like a heavy weight auto shotgun with slugs) , just having fun ya know...

I get tired, go talk to the range officer... my friend says "hey, watch this, it's my last shot"

Okay..l but I am 1/2 distracted.... and I hear what sounds like he shot a watermelon at 200 yards... BOOOOM!!! (frickin sissyslot gun) and THUMP

I look over to my left... 50 is being carefully set on the ground, breech open... and my friend turns to me... like he had a red silk mask on... and a 2/3 moon in the CENTER of his forehead...

He had creeped a 50 BMG, and it nearly knocked his as clean out...

So, he's had me restock 2 rifles to fit him, and it took a couple months to get over the flinch....

and this was AFTER he had made fun of my for letting my 416 kiss my brow....

cheers
jeffe

Jeffo

also funny about the .416 it's just on the verge of some threshold that can cause you to be complacent about shooting them, as my mate found out on our recent trip to N.S.W he was "gashed pretty good by his CZ .416 while spotlighting for foxes. "Gashed open like a bruised apple he was"

Jeffe,
Sorry about your friend! I have sutured a few scope bites. One of the worse I ever saw was from a young man who tried a friend's thutty-thutty at the range before deer season, with the see-through high mounts on a Marlin with a cheap scope with sharp occular bell. It cut him to the skull in a semicircle. Lousy technique in shooting for sure!

I kave been kissed on the forehead twice, but never broke the skin. Once when learning to shoot a 458 Winnie in 1984. The second time was in 2001 when getting too relaxed with the 416 Rigby Ruger 77 with it's factory pad that was too short in pull for me. I have since added a half inch to pull length, and remember to not get too relaxed with a scope.

You are right about the 416.

PC and RAB,
I've got to tell you this one, that I heard from my SCI rep a couple years ago...

Scope Cuts don't count unles bone is showing!

I've got another friend, that on his recent safari, borrowed a 375 for a little jackel hunting (i told him later I didn't like him shooting my brothers!!) at night. Bang Bang... and the PH FELL ON THE GROUND laughing at him. It seems the 375, with a steel tube weaver soldered to 1x, had a VERY short LOP, and my friend took two hits in the forehead, in a large X.

The reason the PH was laughing so hard is that my friend had made fun of ME for an X over my right eye from my 416. Serves him right... and I didn't hear about the "double tap" until a month after he got home and I noticed his cuts

LOP is a good thing, and like money and sex, too much is FAR better than too little.
jeffe

I feel factory stocks are often to small in the LOP measurments, I like 14 to 14 1/2" length of pull and I think most of the factoryies run about 13 1/2". And I choose the lower power leupolds for big bores because they have good eye relief.

PC,
My condolences to your scope bitten mate too.


I like a 14" pull length too, exactly. 14.5" is a tadd long for me. Seems that 13.5" is the common factory pull for Rugremchesters. Fortunately the CZ 550's I have had are 14" pulls, so they are minimum fuss as long as they are the newer ones with the Decelerator pads from the factory. Yep, I like those CZ hogback stocks.

Cheers!

FFg,
I might as well give my opinion on the rifle weight question. For 750 grain bullets at 2000 fps, the empty/bare rifle weight with iron sights should be 10.75 pounds, like my 510 JAB/500 A-Square. I think this applies to a useful 585 Nyati also, though this may be an oxymoron, and ditto the 577 T.rex.

I am not brave enough to go any bigger than the .510 bore. When I use 570 grainers at 2400 fps, it is a 50,000 psi pussycat. With 750 grainers at 2150 fps, it gets my attention, but when I do this, I screw on a heavy muzzle brake and mount a scope and presto-change-o the rifle weighs 12.5 pounds without ammo. It balances well in either attire, naked or dressed in scope and brake.

So do you want portability or do you want to reduce the recoil by added weight?

Just try to stay at or under 11 pounds if it is a rifle to be carried all day or swung into action rapidly as a backup stopper. Firing it offhand at game, you will not notice any pain, especially if the game is the kind that can bite or stomp you. This is iron sight stopping rifle mode: 10.5 to 11.0 pounds.

At the range for sighting, there are sissy bags and padding. For preliminary load development before zeroing the sights, a muzzle brake and the padding may be used.

On the other hand, if you have a gun bearer accompanying you, why not make it 14 pounds? What the heck, as long as you don't have to carry it all day by yourself.

Daggaron,

I like the hog back to it fits me well in it's standard form I just wish they would make it in a quality synthetic, as that is what I like.

11 pounds at 2050 fps will be fine.

13 pounds if you want to get 2300 fps plus.

This assumes you as using a well-designed straight stock.

I still think that a 585 aught to weigh 12-13lbs for the recoil level you are talking about.. Less weight and you run the risk of developing a flinch and more you can't carry it more than a mile from the hunting car.-Rob

Your Right Rob 13 pounds is about as you want a hunting rifle.