I was at the range today shooting my Lott with max loads.I shot the 500gr Woodleigh PP at 2250 fps at 100yds.It's been a while since I shot the lott,deciding to give my arm a rest and then some excercise.It had got to the point,that it seemed that the more I shot offhand,the more my groups would open up.I knew my arm needed a rest,especially with a hunt approaching.So,I decided it was about time I put it to test and see what happens.I started out by shooting a few rds off the bench,to discover what kind of rds I had in my ammo box(having reduced my loads the last couple of times) and in no time,I had my usuall zero,matching my rds with my sights.I ended up shooting three rds offhand and to my surprise,the group was as small as ever.The target shows the three shot offhand group,one sighter(near the red square) and a reduced load,shot off the bench with my 200yd sight(the hole on top of the red square).[URL= ]Lott/100yds/open sights[/URL]

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a strong arm means tight groups

Does that mean that the stronger guys shoot the best groups?

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Originally posted by jwp475:

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a strong arm means tight groups

Does that mean that the stronger guys shoot the best groups?

From what I just experienced lately,shooting offhand-yes.

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Originally posted by shootaway:

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Originally posted by jwp475:

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a strong arm means tight groups

Does that mean that the stronger guys shoot the best groups?

From what I just experienced lately,shooting offhand-yes.

Then wieght lifters are the best shots?

You got to have a strong arm,especially dealing with heavy recoil and shooting the thing regularly.The thing has a tendacy to soften you up.

Shootaway- Start wearing the HELMET again!-Rob

It's called 'flinching'.

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Shootaway- Start wearing the HELMET again!-Rob

Please stop talking about that helmet Rob, I am laughing so I get cramps... Reminds me of some studpid movie I once saw about a little guy wearing a crazy helmet, dont remember the name though..

A stronger or LESS TIRED Arm means tighter groups because you can hold it steadier and LESS wobble.

I find it is tiredness more than anything that affects how well i can hold steady - which of course directly relates to the group size.

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A stronger or LESS TIRED Arm means tighter groups because you can hold it steadier and LESS wobble.

I find it is tiredness more than anything that affects how well i can hold steady - which of course directly relates to the group size.

Yes,but steady after recoil,not to aim-aiming does not require a firm grip and hold by the right arm(right handed shooter).It seems that uncontrolled recoil,does effect POI and accuracy.Tiredness, effecting your aiming hold or a steady hold, are a different subject.I am speaking about holding a rifle steady so that it does not move violently when the bullet travels down the bore.

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Originally posted by shootaway:

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Originally posted by 500N:
A stronger or LESS TIRED Arm means tighter groups because you can hold it steadier and LESS wobble.

I find it is tiredness more than anything that affects how well i can hold steady - which of course directly relates to the group size.

Yes,but steady after recoil,not to aim-aiming does not require a firm grip and hold by the right arm(right handed shooter).It seems that uncontrolled recoil,does effect POI and accuracy.Tiredness, effecting your aiming hold or a steady hold, are a different subject.I am speaking about holding a rifle steady so that it does not move violently when the bullet travels down the bore.

Sorry, my mis understanding.

Yes, a good GRIP on the rifle helps.

Not sure how much as a human has no way of stopping the forces of recoil from a big bore,
but can control how they "flow" with it - if you get my drift.

You definitely need to maintain that grip.