Does anyone load the 480 gr woodleigh in the .458 lott ??

Is this a good bullet for the lott over the 500 gr bullet ??

I see it has a reduced impact velocity over the 500 gr varient and I thought it may open up better on pigs and grassy's than the 500 gr bullet. I want to use a heavy bullet in it rather than the 45/70 style bullets.

I would use a Hornady 500 gr bullet (I know it's softer than a woodleigh but there dearer than woodleighs in Oz !!)

anyone have experience with this bullet in the lott ??

[ 10-03-2003, 00:42: Message edited by: PC ]

You might e-mail woodleigh, tell them your plans for it.

Thanks leo,
Might have to, looks as if no one uses the 480 gr woodleigh in the lott etc.

I asked Woodleigh about the 480 in 458 Lott and they replied the the only problem is that the cannalure is in the wrong place to get the proper length on the Lott.

Thanks for that .510 is the cannelure to far back or forwards as I had my chamber cut to 2.85" so forwards I have a tiny bit of room to play with.

PC

I asked a similar question of a bloke that distributes Woodleighs - ie using the 480 gr in a .458 Win Mag? And he said it doesn't achieve much different results from using the straight 500 gr. It is just designed for the NE .450 calibres.

Why not just use the 500 grs? Got some or a good price? If you have 480's to offload give me a call.

No Nitro I was just looking into the theory that they may expand a little better on smaller game pigs etc. as they had a reduced impact velocity over the 500 grainers.

But your right I think I will just use the 500 gr woodleigh's. I would sort of like to use a heavy bullet in my lott rather than the 45/70 style bullets and the only other "soft bullet" option would be Hornady but thay are dearer than our locally made woodleigh's to buy although the Hornady's would probably expand better on pigs and grassy's. Oh well It will have to be a combo of woodleigh 500 gr & speer or rem 405 gr 45/70 bullets.

I have a throry of sperating my rifles through bullet weight and I try and split the difference that way. So I have a .416 with 410 gr bullets and then before my lott I jumped straight to my .585 with 650 gr bullets so I sort of need a heavy bullet in my lott to "fill the gap" am I sounding weird

When I look at a 500 gr .458 bullet for some reason they really looks as though they mean buisness.

On Aussie pigs anything you put through the .458 will kill them well I think!

I would use a 400 gr flat point or similar bullet designed for the .45/70 on pigs if it was me, and cheaper too. They will almost certainly leave massive exit holes in the piggies. Good for lots of practice too.

I think the 500 gr Woodleighs will kill pretty resoundingly too. Don't worry about that.

On the recent Big Bore Boar Hunt the .375s we used (I used 300 gr Woodleigh RNSPs) killed very effectively. Sometimes leaving large "crater" exit wounds. Even when gut shot eg on the run, they dropped and while shot quickly again to kill, they weren't going anywhere. The furtherest one went was about 30 metres into a crop. It was shot right on dusk and the headlights had to be employed to give enough light to see the running pigs. We chased after the unwounded or live ones and took them out. Returning to check out the first piggies I found the sow I shot had been wounded only and tracking it by torchlight it was despatched. It wasn't healthy and wasn't going much further. The hunt mostly was ambushing them in the last 20 minutes of light before nightfall each day.

Nitro it might be wort ha try and see how the 45/70 bullets go at lott speeds.

Have you got any data for the lott using AR2208 at all Nitro ??

Do you think the woodleigh .458 gr 500 gr bullet would open up at all on pigs & roo's ??

480gr bullets...they are designed for lower velocities...If I remember reading Wodleigh's info on the bullet...

Mike

Nitro I have a pack of speer 400 gr flat noses to try on grassy's this weekend.

Your right the 45/70 should be very effective on small aussie stuff.

NitroX .Its true that small calibers will kill pigs dead enough. Ive killed more pigs with my 222 than with my usual pig gun in 308 (just because I seemed to be carrying it when I found pigs). For fun though ,its good fun hunting with the 458. I have only got a few pigs with the 458 and while it is overkill , it was good to get out and give it a run. I got some with full power 500gn loads and I have tried some 350 Hornady round noses and 405gn "Hawkesbury river bullets" cast lead bullets at reduced loads.
It will do for practice for Africa. As for the 480 gn bullets. I will be getting some when I run out of 500 gn bullets.

CR 500 which bullets performed better on pigs the 500 gr full power loads or the 45/70 style bullets ??

The 500gn and 350 gn Hornadys all exited and I,m not realy sure if there was much difference in exit holes due to different size pigs, different angles etc. On paper the 350 gns round noses are quicker and less recoil but they both seemed to work. I have to say though that I did get a pig in the guts and another in the rear hip (not intentional)with a 500gn bullet and it still ran a fair distance till we finished it off. The 405 cast bullets exited on 2 small pigs so I couldnt see how they came out, but the exit hole was similar to the other bullets. When putting down some drought stricken cattle with the light loaded cast bullets, they still caused a fair bit of a mess on head shots but when I tried them out on dead cattle they didnt exit when shot in the chest area( neither did the 350gn round nose). I only tried 1 500gn bullet on the chest shots and it exited but didnt leave a major exit hole like I was expecting. I didnt dig out any spent bullets or look inside so it wasnt a very scientific experiment.Early next year I will try them out a lot more, hopefully on some scrub cattle.

PC: If you want explosive expansion in the Lott, load up a few of the Woodleigh 350gr RNSN projectiles. While they are still bonded core, they have a very thin jacket and soft core designed for black powder barrels and velocities. I just had a weekend with my Tolley shooting them at 1950 fps MV, and got complete pass-through shots on a feral horse, a sow, and 2 reasonable boars. The horse left chunks of lung tissue scattered across the grass.

Remember, even a solid .458 is about the same size as a fully expanded .243!

Marraki,

thanks for that !! are the noses by any chance on those 350 gr woodleigh's flat enough to have in a tube magazine ??

I have some speer 400 gr flats to try this weekend on some grassy's there supposed to be violent expanders they expand at 45/70 speeds so look out at Lott speeds it will be 400 gr ballistic tips !!

Nitro I was almost offended when you said a .458 was over kill for pigs

When I hunt with my bigbores I do not feel weird or over gunned at all, I mean why shouldn't they be used, I feel they are more humane than using a .243 22/250 etc. and I have shot some pigs that have awful wounds from hunters using small calibre rifles. If they had of been using a big bore it would have been much more humane.

PC,
The Woodleigh 350gr (and the Hornady) is a RN. You can file them down to flat-points for work in your Marlin. Hornady also make a 350gr FN.
Con

Thanks Con,

woodleigh also make a 405 gr bullet designed for the 45/70 it's on the phampplets I have actually used that bullet and it's excellent.