I was planning to use the Federal 215 primer but then I heard of the federal 215 gold match
Is that better ? I have had some problems with my .500 and would like to use the best. I do not care about the price of the primer.
I would furthermore like some advice about powders. I can not get the American powders her in Denmark but Vihtavuori and Norma are no problem.
I was thinking Vihtavuori N140 or N540 ?
I have no expirence with big bore loading

Cheers,

Andr�

Andre,
I don't know what powder you can get, and I KNOW federal match 216 (or 216) are a frickin HASSLE to get and/or to have a steady supply...

I use RL 15 (when I use commerical powder) and federal 215s... anything else, and you get a hangfire.. oh, it goes off, but you can hear/feel the firing pin hit... which SUCKS for accuracy

jeffe

Is the 215 Gold match called 216 ?
I will try to get the RL 15 by Alliant or work up some load with the above mentioned powders.

Cheers,

Andr�

AAAhhh it is called 215 Gold medal

Andr�

I have used VV540 as my preferred powder in .458 Lott with Federal 215s. Good velocity and very reliable.

The .500 Jeffery is a much bigger case, though. Maybe VV can recommend a load if you contact them about it.

I just e-mailed Vihtavuori and asked them and will await their reply.
I will post the load data if any is given.

Cheers,

Andr�

There is reloading data in A Squares reloading manual. As I recall they recommended powders in the IMR4064 through IMR4831 range, and a 97% or more filled case. If you can get a copy of "Any Shot you Want" I strongly recommend it.

ASS_CLOWN

Dear all
Thank you very much for all the replys.
The cast bullet concept makes sence. Where do you get a tool from ?

Cheers,

Andr�

Proven load for 535 grs bullets:

VV N140 - 113 gr Fed 215 or RWS 5333 2380 f/s

VV N540 - 118 gr Fed 215 2400 f/s

500grains,

Compressed loads are the ONLY loads for the BB gun!

I don't own a 12 gauge.

The only cartridge I have reloaded for is the 30-06, and my rifle likes lightly compressed loads. Talking with many other shooters I learned this is nothing strange, rifles liking lightly compressed loads that is.

ASS_CLOWN

JefferyDenmark,





Here is a 600 grain .512 bullet mould:







Such a mould may be ordered at this link:



http://www.neihandtools.com/catalog/index.html



I have a 1200 grain .585 mould from NEI and it works great.



____



As I recall, you said that there were dimensional differences between your rifle's chamber and the ammo made by Kynoch. Can you tell me what the 2 different dimensions were, and which one is considered standard? Thanks.

I have been using RL 15 and Fed. 215's with 570 grain Woodleigh, 440 grain Barnes and 535 Barnes with no ignition problems and good accuracy.

JeffeyDenmark,

Some more simulation data. This data should be close to reality, but remember it is only a simulation.

Powder VN 140
Case capacity - 153 grains of water
Primer Fed 215
Barrel length - 24" (609 mm)
Bullet - 535 grain Woodleigh

Load #1
104 grains of VN140
Muzzle velocity - 2288 fps
Chamber pressure - 315.4 MPa

Load #2
106 grains of VN140
Muzzle velocity - 2324 fps
Chamber pressure - 329.5 MPa

Load #3
108 grains of VN140
Muzzle velocity - 2363 fps
Chamber pressure - 341.7 MPa

Load #4
110 grains of VN140
Muzzle velocity - 2396 fps
Chamber pressure - 351.8 MPa

Load #5 (HOT load don't know if the brass / rifle will take it)
118 grains of VN140
Muzzle velocity - 2567 fps
Chamber pressure - 407.5 MPa

Looks to me like either VN140 or VN150 would be the best powders, but then again I have no experience with the cartridge and am only analyzing software.

Good luck.

ASS_CLOWN

Jeff,

I can't tell much difference between the two Federal Large Magnum Rifle primers:



1. Federal 215, or "F215"



2. Federal GM215M (Gold Medal Match "GM215M" Large Magnum Rifle)



The GM215M may have better quality control for match uniformity is all I can guess after using both interchangeably. Use whichever one you have the best supply of, or go ahead and obsess about, it like I do, and just stick with the GM215M.



The F216 primer is used by Federal for loading their 470 NE factory loads, is a hotter primer, and is not available to the public. That is how Federal gets away with not using any filler in their 470 NE factory loads.



Powders:



Norma N-203

Vihtavuori N140 or N540



These three should all be close to RL-15 on the burn rate chart. With any 535 to 600 grain bullets, just start with 100 grains of any of them and work up, watching the chronograph and group size until you find your rifle's sweet spot.



I base this on my experience with the 510 JAB/500 A2 (about 150 grains of water case capacity). I use 110 grains of RL-15 with the 570 grain Barnes XLC, to get 2400 fps.



Your 500 Jeffery case will have at least 10 grains of water more capacity (about 160).



I too have heard that the Reloder series of powders are just relabeled Norma powders.



MRP2 = RL-25

MRP = RL-22

N-204 = RL-19

N-203 = RL-15



Of course lot-to-lot variations may cloud the issue. I think Norma sends the reject lots to Reloder to re-label and sell in the USA.

Folks Thank you very much for the helpfull info.
I will get loading when I get some bullets.


Cheers,

Andr�

I just got an e-mail from Vhitavuori and they did not have any load data for the .500 Jeffery.
I will try the load data Nobert posted.
Thank you Nobert what kind of rifle do you have ?

Cheers,

Andr�

Ron,
thanks for the clarification on the gm215, 215, and the 216.

I reckon I'll stick with the 215 (i've got a brick and a half left) until they run out.

I had long thought/heard the winchester MRP was nothing but norma MRP, and was relabled to 780... not that I would use loads based off rumor, but Its things like that you can follow up wiht olin on.

yep, 7 8 0 powder, not 8 7 0

jeffe

exabit

Both Norma and RL powders are made by Bofors Nexplo. I have used both and the difference in burnrate etc. is very small. VV reloading manual has an index on powers.

Actually Bofors Nexplo also makes power for VV, Rauforss and RWS. But they have a different specification.

Cheers
/ JOHAN

JeffeyDenmark:
I have two custom rifles for .500 Jeff. Both with L. Walther barrels.
A Mauser 98 , action Argentino 1909 and a Blaser 93.
For elephant hunting in africa I used the Blaser.
Bullets: Woodleigh
Cases: Horneber
Dies: Triebel.

Big Game Hunting

JefferyDenmark,

As I recall, you said that there were dimensional differences between your rifle's chamber and the ammo made by Kynoch. Can you tell me what the 2 different dimensions were, and which one is considered standard? Thanks

One note on cast bullet shooting in the 500 Jeffrey. The case has a short neck, and from my experience shooting cast in other rifles, I like to keep the bullet base and hence gas check from intruding into the case body. To do this either requires a long seated bullet, or shorter lighter bullets. My 470 gr LFN bullets are short enough for this, but a 600 gr bullet has to be seated long.

Just something to think about, and a 50 caliber 470 gr bullet at 1800-2000 fps is still a formidable hunting load for most game.

My chamber is CIP standard .500 Jeffery and the Kynoch ammo should also be that. But some of the kynoch ammo is too short about 3/10 mm under Minimum CIP standard and they are just pushed forward in the chamber.
The ammo has been gauged by Heym and also by Kynoch where I saw that they where too short
I have about 230 fired cases and I will reload them ASAP but I have no bullets
I have a Die set from triebel. Triebel also made the tool that Heym used to make the chamber so it should be perfect when I reload.
I also have some Wolfgang Romey 500 Sch�ler(12,7X70 Sch�ler)they have a 40 degree angel the Jeffery about 25 Degree.
The Sch�ler can be fired and I have shoot about 120 of then. They are a bit thihgt to chamber. The Wolfgang Romey brass looks better then Kynoch's

Cheers,

Andr�

Can you get powder from Australia? I believe the Hodgdon powders are made down there.
JCN

Importing dabgerous goods (1.4s) is too much trouble, but thanks any way.

Cheers,

ANdr�

Oops, edit my previuos remarks to read N-203 (Norma) as the equivalent of RL-15, assuming both are the same Bofors powder, just different lots and different labels???

JefferyDenmark,

At the Kynoch booth at SCI, I repeatedly tried to find out where their brass is made. They told me that Dieter Horneber refuses to make brass for them because he makes it for Wolfgang Romney. They also explained that when they get their brass from the brass maker, they check it carefully and if the dimensions are not right or if the hardness is not right, it goes right back. I told them I wanted to know where the brass came from because I had bad experiences with Bertram Brass in the past and did not want to use it in the future. At that point they could have reassured me by saying that they do not use BB, but they did not. So I concluded that Kynoch ammo uses Bertram brass. I could be wrong, but that is what it looks like from here. If this conclusion is accurate, it would explain why the Romney (Horneber) brass is better then the Kynoch (Bertram) brass. In my 600 NE I could not even chamber half of the Bertram cases, but every single Horneber case worked perfectly.

Dan,



Just the fact that Kynoch wouldn't tell you, who is after all a customer who's going to buy their products (or not!), and thus keep them in business, seems like bad PR from their side to me. It's as if they're trying to hide something. Which makes me as a potential customer wonder about Kynochs integrity and the quality of their products... Perhaps they think they can float on their name and reputation from the "old days"?



Any honost manufacturer shouldn't have a problem informing about something simple like where the brass comes from IMO. It's not like that's a business secret. Or at least it shouldn't be, considering how important it can be for the users. As obviously several unfortunate customers have found out...



Erik D.

500grains
Thank you very much.
I just ordered 200 Woodleigh from Sweden I can not wait for the batch that my friends are bringing from the US in august.
The Swedish distributor charges $72 for 50 pcs of 535 SN
I will reload ASAP (about tree weeks) and hopefully be a happy camper
I will never buy Kynoch again, but the Boxes look very old school and I like the nostalgic value the have.
Those where the days.

Cheers,

Andr�

JefferyDenmark,

If you decide to try out some cast bullets and can find some XMP5744 powder from Accurate Arms powder company, I highly recomend it. It should only take 30 grains of XMP5744 or so to get a 600 grain bullet moving in the 1200 to 1400 foot per second range. No filler is needed. Recoil from these reduced loads is very mild, and I have gotten good accuracy with XMP5744 and cast bullets in several rifles. The load I use in my 500 NE is a 500 grain cast lead bullet with 45.0 grains XMP 5744. Same load for a 470 nitro express, by the way (but a smaller diameter bullet).

Erik,

The fact that Kynoch had implemented extremely stringent quality control measures almost proves that it was Bertram Brass. No other maker's brass justifies such tight screening!

I am glad Kynoch is there making ammo for weird old calibers, but it has been a rough road for them. 500 Jeffery is not the only ammo that they have had difficulties with. But some users of Kynoch ammo are very happy.

I will never buy from Kynamco again the are 30% more expensive then Wolfgang Romey. I just wanted to give then a try. Even if they get their act together then I would not. From now on I will only reload myself and when my cases are worn out I will get some from Dieter Horneber. I spoke with him and he charges 3.35� per pcs. that's fair enough I think.

Cheers,

Andr�