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You could hunt right now with that 338. Nice shooting. Congrats on getting a good one! | |||
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Hmmm, should have bought a Winchester model 70, problem solved!  Roger ___________________________ I'm a trophy hunter - until something better comes along. *we band of 45-70ers* | |||
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Looking real good Alf! Too bad about the ring problem. I bet Ruger would send you a new ring. But you may be burned out on them. It looks like the 338 is shooting in well. Should just get better. Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle." | |||
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I agree with you that the T10 Torx screws in the OEM Ruger ring tops are bad! I have broken a lot of bits on those! They really need to be changed out for better screws. I am thinking of getting them drilled and tapped to a larger 8x40 thread with a T15 or slotted head. I do not understand your inability to keep the main mounting nuts tight. You may torque those to 65 inch-pounds max, they can take it, but about 50 inch-pounds has kept them tight for me. After trashing Warne QD rings on a .475 Linebaugh Ruger No.1, I switched back to OEM Ruger rings. Ruger OEM rings are definitely stronger, more durable. No problems with Ruger OEM rings on both of my .416 Ruger rifles.  Rip ... | |||
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The mounting clamp stud/nut loosened on my .375, giving exactly the same problem Alf describes. Discovered at home, then overtorqued, breaking it. Picked up a few spares, but the one installed is holding so far. If it fails will get a set of Alaska Arms rings for it. Very much like the gun, shoots Hornady 300 RN and 270 gr SP sub-1" @ 100 for 5. A little worse with the old 300 gr Silvertips. But 1.5" will do. | |||
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I figured it out. You guys are not getting the Ruger main mounting bolts properly seated before you tighten up the nuts. If the bolts are rotated a few degrees and not dead-on when nuts are tightened, they can loosen more easily in recoil. Check nuts frequently, and I do not mean your family jewels. Rip ... | |||
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You may be right. Never had a problem with the more polished blued clamps, but the unpolished brushed/stainless surface maybe lends itself to being malpositioned while tightening. Was real careful with the replacement so guess I'll see. The one I broke loosened pretty quick; in hindsight probably during first three shots. Didn't figure it out till after another 10 or so - kept moving the scope adjustments.  The replacement has held through over 10 rounds. | |||
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Glad both of mine are blue!! Ive never had a problem with a Ruger..All but two of mine are the African model, they shoot great and nada probelmas..Im not sold on SS, plastic stocks or coated steel...wood and blue is the game! Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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If the screws are truly stainless that may be part of the problem. Stainless suffers from galling when torqued down and offers a little less spring back before fracturing than carbon steel. This is one of the reasons stainless fasteners used in aerospace applications are polished rather than the media blasted like the fasteners in the pictures of your Ruger. Just as an experiment you might try applying a little paraffin wax to the threads before torquing them down. Roger ___________________________ I'm a trophy hunter - until something better comes along. *we band of 45-70ers* | |||
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The clamp side ends up positioned slightly countersunk, ie., below level across the ring base (like a primer, but deeper). Distinctly remember noting front and rear were seated to different depths first time around. It was a fleeting thought, but didn't register. They're equally seated now, so will see if I got it right. | |||
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Have 8 or 10 Rugers friends and family have more never had a problem with Ruger rings. Alf is either a bad Ruger magnet or there is another reason. A problem looking for a problem. | |||
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That is the problem with big bores. If you don't get a good group with the first 2 or 3 shots, the recoil starts getting to you. I have a Win 70 Safari Exp in .416 Rem Mag. At 100 yds the first shot is always in the bull (or within 1/2" of it). I always leave well enough alone. I have found that if I shoot 10 shots on the bench, my accuracy starts to suffer around shot 4. Working with temperamental mounts totally sucks. I've always used LEO rings on LEO removal mounts. Never had a problem, provided a snug them down to spec. Good luck! BH63 Hunting buff is better than sex! | |||
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Alf, I replaced my Ruger rings with the Leupold version. No issues and only 2 screws to clamp the two half of the rings together. The 4 screw arrangement gave me fits. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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Alf, How about a washer to take up that 2-3mm. Having a machinist friend extend the clamp threads is more work, but another option. | |||
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Yep. OEM Ruger rings when fitted right cannot be beat. I have a set of Leupold rings for Ruger M77 but they are for 30mm tube, and I hesitate to use them on a hard kicker. The 2-screw Leupold top cannot possibly be as strong as the 4-screw Ruger top. And I do not think the main clamping hardware is as stout on the Leupold. Unbooger the OEM Ruger rings and they are good as it gets on a Rooger. Rip ... | |||
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How much spare length do you have in the magazine? Can you ream out a bit more freebore and utilize the added length in the mag for a longer oal ? Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle." | |||
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No space at all ! For me the gun must be as it is ! I do not have the luxury of getting a gun worked on to get it to shoot ! and thats often the problem with factory guns and my beef with many brands. They are OK "IF"..... if you do this , if you do that, if you bed it , if you do another bottom metal my physical location does not allow for if's ! The reality is that in order to do this "standard action " doctrine they had to sacrifice on COL. It seems to work fine when using a cup and core lead bullet such as Hornady's DGX @ 400 gr @ 2400 fps but as soon as you go monometal you have to lighter in order to satisfy the COL limit. This little gun is light and recoil is not rough at all..... thats with the brake on, Without the brake it's another animal all together on the bench. I tried it ! | |||
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Good to see you are getting a grip on your Rugers problems. Unfortunately today it's difficult to buy a gun off the shelf that doesn't need something done it. Pride in manufacturing something seems to have disappeared. Roger ___________________________ I'm a trophy hunter - until something better comes along. *we band of 45-70ers* | |||
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Might as well get a .458 Win.Mag., Alf!  You might be hard pressed to get 2400 fps with a 400-grainer in the 20" barrel with the .416 Ruger. I hope you can chronograph and show us how to do that. 2400 fps is no problem at all with a .458/400-grain HV in the 20"-barreled .458 Win.Mag. Just ask CTF.  Seems to kick less too, though that may be due to my case of attenuating recoil agrandizement. Rip ... | |||
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That load looks great, Alf. Congratulations. Hongera! Personally, I think that 350 grains is the optimum for the .416" with monometal bullets. Monometals do not lose weight at normal velocities and as a rule of thumb a person can get the same penetration as a cup-and-core lead bullet while stepping down a weight level. In .416" that means using a 350grain monometal. In a 338 that would mean using a 225gn TTSX instead of a classic 250gn cup-n-core. There is an upside to this beyond just getting equal penetration. The lighter bullets generally give an extra 150-200 fps when dropped down a weight level. The lighter bullet has lighter recoil on paper, though that is usually insignificant. But the faster velocity does make hunting easier out to 300 yards. Anyway, enjoy your rifle and load. You could hunt most anything anywhere. And you can also try the 350gn TTSX bullets with the blue tip. They have a higher BC for more thump out at 250-300 yards, should you want to shoot a polar bear at distance. The TTSX is a longer bullet and will sometimes produce the same velocity as the TSX with 1 grain less powder. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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Getting hung up on bullet weight between cup and core and monometals is silly. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Of course! Using the logic that all politicians are well known for it only makes sense to ban hunting of the cute cuddly things when the numbers are high....  Roger ___________________________ I'm a trophy hunter - until something better comes along. *we band of 45-70ers* | |||
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Great photos.  Rip ... | |||
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Nice looking bullet testing media for your 416 Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle." | |||
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Why is grizzly/brown bear hunting done for in B.C.?? If B.C. is having as bad a salmon year as we r having in Alaska. You can expect more problems with them when moose hunting. Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle." | |||
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The BC government has without the backing of any science out of the blue introduced a Province wide ban on Grizzly hunting ! As for Moose that too is under threat ! In many areas the season has been brought down to 3 days only, the limited entry allotment is down and what is concerning is they increased the Guide allotment. What is annoying about the latter is that guides who do not fill their allotted tags are selling them to locals a unguided hunts..... so in effect if you are a local and you got no draw you can simply by paying a guide get a tag and go hunting ! As to Salmon. We live on the Skeena. The river is closed for all fishing ! The effect on the local sport fishing sector ie guides , lodges, and fishing stores is devastating ! As I have stated our world is shrinking ! In our area the only two stand alone gun / fishing stores are closed / closing their doors ! | |||
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Very sad indeed. I'm a pretty devout steelhead fisherman. That at one time was the steelhead capital of the world. Roger ___________________________ I'm a trophy hunter - until something better comes along. *we band of 45-70ers* | |||
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If you get more frustrated with those rings on that guide gun. Look into Alaska arms llc quick detach. I have those on my sub 6lb 416 ruger and have never had a problem. Love the rings. I have a peep sight and spare scope set up that I switch back and forth from often. My grouping issue has been that the first two go great but my third is high right, but after the first two shots my third bullet in the mag has seated past the canalure from the recoil of the first Two shots. | |||
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Also have M77's in 338 WM and 416 Ruger. I load the 338 265gr Nosler Accubond LR at 2650 fps MV, and the 416 350gr TTSX and 340gr CEB at 2500 fps MV.    | |||
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Alf; That's terrible! And draconian ! Doesn't make any sense at all. If B.C. is like S.E. AK. Then brown bear populations are on the rise. Why eliminate sport hunting? Politicians ~~~ I feel bad for you. Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle." | |||
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It would be interesting to see if your bullets were tumbled in hexagonal boron nitride powder if your 3rd shot was in the group or closer to the first 2 shots. Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle." | |||
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Because it makes the city folks and the antis feel good about themselves. Has nothing to do with science. | |||
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