I am considering converting one of my actions to a takedown configuration of my own design. Before I make a sows ear out of a silk purse, I thought I would ask the forum what features they would find desireable, undesireable, cumbersome, or ones that work well in a takedown bolt action rifle.

Thanks

Not sure what you are asking. There are takedown rifles and rfiles with interchangeable barrels. The Blaser would be an example of the latter. The former would be something like the interrupted thread design used by Mannlicher, H.S. Precision and others. The thread design should have some kind of "takeup" for wear. Once I got my Blaser I stopped worrying about a takedown rifle, which, BTW "takes down" to a smaller package than the Blaser.
Peter.

Mauser Model 03

Steer clear of the m03 push feeds

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Originally posted by Express_Rifles:
Steer clear of the m03 push feeds

Why?

Main reason is push feed sig made mauser its that simple 4,000 push feed rifle you can go another route and get a 4000 rifle on a mauser action crf

Huh? Not following. Are you saying the M03 is inferior cause it's a push-feed? Cause it's made by SIG? Cause it's $4,000? Cause you can buy a Mauser 98 for the Same Money?

Let me know where I can buy a new Mauser M98 for $4,000.

Like I said the m03 is junk push feed junk 4000 you can get a crf action in a custom gun for 1100 more you can get a mauser 98 empire but thats right I foregot your the expert who will claim a 375 to the brain is inferior to a higher caliber to the brain

you can even go through sabi their ranger model is about 3600 usd which is a m98 action but im sure you knew that

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Originally posted by Express_Rifles:
Like I said the m03 is junk push feed junk 4000 you can get a crf action in a custom gun for 1100 more you can get a mauser 98 empire but thats right I foregot your the expert who will claim a 375 to the brain is inferior to a higher caliber to the brain

You underestimate your audience. Empire is not Mauser, and not M98. A proper action in the white is $4,000 and proper stock is another $4,000 or do you slap an old 2x4 on your guns? Getting new handle isn't gonna make you any more credible Thors460. Maybe you should start a new thread of your own "CRF -vs- Pushfeed".

Am I trying to hide being thors460 Ask saeed i asked to have my old name taken down but you are a work of art axel with your many names stirring the pot so cute

Proper stock and action you my friend read far to many post trying to pass yourself off as a person with knowledge of the gun tade but like i said axel dont waste my time

So what is it you follow me around try to keep tabs on me as I remember wasent it you ripping off photos of other peoples rifles and sending them out posting them claiming a 500 ahr was a 458 win then an ackley that you rebridged a mod 70 action

Axel - that's me. Looking forward to your technical anaysis of CRF -vs- Pushfeed.

rifle can double feed and jam up also ride note here if push feed is not inferior then why is there no serious maker of DGR useing push-feed actions geez I wonder

Express,

don't feed the trolls!

Rich
Buff Killer

Did any of you guys bother to read the original question?
Peter.

Peter, thank you for the on-subject reply. I realize that wear is a factor and any take-down needs to have a means to address it. To answer your quote I am simply wanting to know if people favor the interrupted thread system or any other. I am a former competition shooter for the ANG, accomplished machinist, gunsmith, and I have made two Mauser copies (from 4140) in my medium length life; broaching the raceways is not my favorite operation but I have done it. I am now retired and looking for ways to amuse myself at a hobby I love.

Other things I would like to know have to do with tools; are there systems out there that use tools to facilitate the take-down system? Do they get lost? break? strip? malfunction? How about systems that refuse to unlock and allow the barrel to be dismounted; does anyone have experience with this issue?

In general, I reload only to feed my desire for accurate rifles and I machine to exercise my mind and keep my skills sharp. I enjoy what I do and this forum was reccommended to me as a place where serious shooters came to increase and share their knowledge and experiences. I really appreciate your reply and am dissapointed in the other off-subject replies.

Inpingement

In a Bolt Rifle I find the Blaser R 93 system superior to ALL other takedown systems.

back to the post anyways experience with that take down riles I tend to shy away from them as of right now dont really trust them as things if they can will go wrong but I think it would be a pretty neat rifle

I have owned three takedown H&S rifles. All were amazingly accurate and held their point of impact when re-assembled. All seemed to be too heavy for me. I think the takedown assembly is an extra bit of weight that changes the balance point of the rifle. All three I had were in calibers I subsequently decided I could live without so they were traded away. If H&S ever had a reasonable lead time, I would probably have a short barreled 375 built. I just bought my first Blaser but it seems much more fragile than the H&S which is a tool. Takedown rifles are really a pleasure going through some of the cramped customs counters in Africa.

Good point about the weight and balance issues. Additionally, with both types, one has to worry about bolt/bolt face issues. All the barrels for my Blaser are "magnum" so I can keep the same bolt face. That could be another argument for the Blaser "system" ie. you can just change the bolt face and not the whole bolt.
Peter.

I believe it depends on which market you pursue.
classic, modern, ultalite, etc

First I would determine my market niche and identify the competition.

I have owned a couple of the different British threaded styles, Savage, Winchester, as well as, Blasers, Sauers, British M/S push button (remove the stock), Newton (ditto) and other configurations.

I have built my own with varying results, some on crf's some push feeds.

If I were to start again, I would design the bolt lockup in the barrel, not the receiver, whether machined into the barrel blank or an added stub.

Then choose my lock up type, collet, ball-bearing, retractable lug, fixed lug, etc.

In the 80's I built a couple of AR-style bolt head, bolt action light-weight take-down prototypes similar to what the Nemesis Arms looks like--no market back then---now, there is,probably. (the Nemesis BTW, does not lock up into the barrel.)

Thank you all for the good suggestions, i am doing some more research on your thoughts and I will probably start sometime in the next month.

Thank you again

Both versions of the WR takedown rifles are superior to other types. Having dual locking points with the thread and barrel pin gives a far tighter seal and return to accuracy.
I do not find the 1/2 twist and detent ball into indentation to be as secure and certainly that would lead to wear and looseness in time. Here is an example of a fix for wearing out.

For those interested, I have already figured out two mistakes not to make. Currently working with an old LR (junk) Mauser on the third variant. Seems like a lot of work and it is getting harder to see why I wanted to do this in the first place. I guess the man who thinks he has a better mousetrap might just be a little blind to reality.

Jim

A CZ action would be a good action [if you can get one]

Not implying mausers are junk, Just I bought one that was unserviceable so I would not feel guilty if I ruined a good one!

Take down rifles are a passion of mine. Curiously, I think my take down system has a pretty good track record

I only use the system 98, no interrupted threads.

The sighting hardware and fore arm hanger are on bands.

The theory that if the threads wear a bit, you can tigthten the barrel and re-align everything TDC.

The fore arm section and butt stock section are held together rididly via a lever and cam system...literally making this as rigid as a one piece stock...except: It can't warp...already cut in half.

Perfect return to zero every time!

Duane, how many takedowns to result in appreciable wear requiring your' fix? Have you had to do this on one of your' custom rifles yet?
Best wishes, Chris

Only one...but that was more of a "prevention"
It was not loose near as I could tell. But, of course, there is the potential..

How durable, and how well does this system return to

zero? Duane is this system very diferent from yours?

http://dakotaarms.com/cgi-bin/...ta_76_Traveler_Rifle

The Dakota system is very different from Duane's.

Have no info on the return to zero question.

JPK

Ok Duane, I concede

My ideas are not panning out. I spent the better part of a day on the conical threads but found I need a 3 axis CNC to do it right and I am not sure then it would work. There is a HUGE difference between theory and application. Not the first time Ihave been wrong or misguided.

I am frustrated and shelving the project while I devote more time to actions of my own design.

Thanks for the patience, tolerance and input.

Jim

There is nothing wrong with either a Blaser R93 or the Mauuser M03.

The M03 is far from a "peice of junk"

The one's I've shot and played with feed flawless and the fit and finish was very nice. I would not be afraid to carry one in the field against anything that walked.

By coachsells, shot with COOLPIX S4 at 2009-07-09

Little M03 I played with out www.canyonsportingarms.com

If it would have been left handed it might have followed me home.

Ed

I've always found the Mauser 66 interesting. They basically cut the front ring off of a LR M98 and attached it to the barrel.

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or an added stub.