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I've had a Leopold Vari-X III 1.5-5 on my .458 Win Mag since the late '90s and it's never failed nor has the POI changed at all.

As mentioned above, rings may be the real issue. My scope is in Warne quick-detach rings which I think accounts for the scope's longevity and accuracy.

I don't shoot the .458 these days but for several years I spent a good deal of time at the range developing loads, so the scope has certainly had its share of punishment--as has my shoulder!

The gun and scope made a trip to Zimbabwe, sorted out a Cape buffalo, and then was for the most part retired.


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What most people don't understand is that the standard screw holes and mounts that are found on .270- .458 win class rifles will eventually fail if they are converted to serious DGRs. i.e. Lotts to OKs ! Most people don't understand that the screw holes in factory receivers will fail with moderate to heavy scopes with high recoil rifles. You really need to D&T oversize receiver base mounting holes and use steel bases machined specifically for those oversized screws. How many people actually are aware or really do this? Answer is almost no one. Next the scope rings themselves need to really be up for the task and lapped for the individual scope so that It doesn't move. Most of the scope failures I've seen appear to be due in part to these issues as well as to the use of scopes never designed for or intended for real high recoiling rifle use. Some folks don't even know that the scope mounting position is critical to insure that internal parts of the scope are not positioned under the rings in such a position that the scope breaks due to internal stresses caused by improper installation. Owner induced failure is more common than you'd expect! In my experience a properly mounted leupold 2.5x is the best choice for a serious DGR that's used frequently. Safe queens and anecdotal experiences of others need not apply. Over the years of a heck of a lot of big bore shooting, I've had my share of mounts fail and scopes break and have learned alot about what works and what doesn't the hard way. Everyone is of course free to learn these same lessons on their own! Hope this helps!


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Originally posted by Robgunbuilder:
Please supply the exact dates and scope models that were sent back on a weekly basis for our edification!


I'll do what I can, but I am passing on someone else's testimony, not my own.

In the thread "Scope on a 458 Win Mag......witch", on 30 July 2013 16:54
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In one 18 month period I sent 13 Leupold scopes back for repair. Most of these were 1.5X5 Vari and VX 3s, 1x4 VX 2s, I only owned one 2.5 Compact that has been declared indestructable, at least until the cross hairs on mine fell apart, not to mention the fact that it has a terrible field of view compared to the other models. At one time I ALWAYS had 2-4 scopes at Leupold, and 2-4 on the bench to be sent. I sold 30+ Leupolds at 1/2 price, replaced all of them with Nikon 1X4s, and other Nikon Models. I have run Nikons now over two years since the first one, it is still going strong, and I have yet to have a busted Nikon. Use what you wish based on ego or price, I can't afford so much aggravation and down time from test work or field work, so I use what works.........


And in the same thread, 2nd page, 17April 2014 07:16:
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I suppose I am the only one that could bust Leupolds on such a regular basis, that I always had 3-4 at Leupold for repairs, and 3-4 on the bench ready to send out for repairs.... In one 18 month period I sent 13 Leupolds back for repairs from being on big bore rifles. It was common, and I just figured it was the price I paid for shooting so much big bore........ I watched a brand new out of the box 1.5X5 VX 3 EXPLODE on the 3rd round with a 50 B&M..... 3 rounds!

I made the switch to Nikon after purchasing 1X4 African (Now Just Plain Monarch), a nice little Weaer, Trijicon, and a couple of others that made my requirements. The Nikon beat all of the others in meeting what I required. This has been well over 2 years ago now, maybe 3 years.... I now have an entire stable of Nikons only on everything, probably a dozen or more of the 1X4s, and have not had one issue, ZERO, never busted one, never exploded one, and now I can be far more productive without having to change scopes every week due to failures........ Not One Nikon has given the least issue at all, and for me that is just unheard of, incredible.......... Unless something changes, I don't need to look any further........

Michael


Again, something similar on 04 June 2014 15:57
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michael458 wrote:

Well, most all of you know how many leupolds I have busted and probably broken records doing so on a regular basis.... One of the most memorable is the new 1.5x5 VX3 straight out of the box new, 3 rounds of 50 B&M put it in the dirt....... 4 broken on the bench and 4 at leupold for repairs on a continued basis..... one 18 month period I busted 13 of them... Enough was enough.

What is so hard for me to fathom, 2 years or so, maybe close to 3 now since the first Nikon 1x4 and have not busted one, have not broken, have not had one single issue?????? For me, the glass is clearer, brighter than the leupolds, focus is precise and easy at the touch of a finger, mechanically as good as anything I have worked with, moves correct when you move it right/left, or up/down, and one can't beat the price.... Down side, objective is a little larger than the leupolds, and the turrets are a little large, but none other than those, and I am used to them now..... Having not busted one nor suffered a minute down time for repairs, this largely outweighs any small downside to the scopes......

I sent 35 Leupolds down the road a year or so ago, replaced every one of them with Nikons of some sort or another. I have several of the really cheaper models, Prostaff and Buckmaster I think they are called, just to try and see, and damned if those have not turned out to be excellent scopes on various rifles in smaller calibers..... Another favorite is the 2X8 Monarch, which would be comparable to the 2X8 leupold VX3 easy, I think better, and about the same size as well.....

I just counted, currently I am running 14 of the little 1X4 Monarchs/used to be Africans........ Zero issues......

Even if one busts all to hell today, I am way ahead of the game..
Michael


Personally, I don't shoot enough to make my experience anything more than anecdotal. I've had great experiences with Leupold and equally or better with Nikon since 2009. But anyone who followed the terminals thread knows that Michael, above, shoots thousands of big bore rounds every year. His experiences are more than anecdotal.

Anyway, while I really like the light little 2-8 Nikon Monarch, I have gravitated toward the muzzleloader scope lines of Nikon because of their 5-inch eye relief. The scopes only run about $200 but in their quality they do it all, except illuminated reticle.


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I personally will dismiss all the other posts and go with Robgunbuilder as his experience is the same as mine..To each his own and live and learn is my advise..

I will only use the 2.5X Leupold and 8x40 screws to hold it on, they will be hand fitted on a surface ground receiver..end of story.


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To learn a person must ponder what is going on when someone busts 13 scopes over 18 months and then zero with a second brand but lots and lots of big bore shooting. I just like my wife to have 5in eyerelief on her 375.


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I have a 50 B&M rifle which chewed through a Leupold VXR,Vx-3 1.5-5 and actualy sheared the screws on Talley mounts. Have been using a Nikon Monarch 3 African 1-4 on both this rifle and my 500 Jeffreys with no issues 100'a of rounds. The scope is very well built is extra long and light which helps a scope on a heavy recoiling rifle. I bought 4 of them at a closeout for $199.00 great buy. I have Leupold scopes on most of my other rifles 416 and under with no issued and hundreds of rounds fired
 
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If I broke that many scopes, I'd really look at how they were mounted in the first place! as I've said poor mounting more than anything else leads to broken scopes of all types. I thought I knew what I was doing but shooting the big .50s taught me some major lessons that I transferred to my other big bores. No offense but most even experienced people and gunsmiths don't know how to do it right!As Ray correctly pointed out, have you D&Td your receiver for larger screws,have you made absolutely sure the rings are not creating stresses in the scope or receiver? If not guess what, maybe that's why your scope broke. Great news on the Nikons, but I'll pass! Personally I rely on my own experience far more than others for good reasons. Leupold 2.5x compacts just don't break on big bores when properly installed and that's what I use and recommend to others! Everyone is always free to do as they please!


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Originally posted by 458Win:
On large bore, heavy kicking rifles the larger and heavier the scope the quicker they will self destruct either themselves or the mounts and bases.
The lightest, smallest and toughest scope is the little Leupold 2 1/2 X compact. Any game animal that requires a rifle over .40 caliber should be large enough that it doesn't need to be magnified more than twice, so long as the hunter knows how to stalk. And for an Alaskan guide who might need make a longer shot on escaping game the little Leupold will suprise you if you give it a chance.


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