I recall a poster here had a .416 Taylor built on a Ruger .338 MK11. I liked it.

This is a project that interests me as it would seem you could get a lot of power in a light weight rig, Ruger actions are also good value and you have the 3 pos safety and the CRF etc.

Would one be better of building on a stainless Ruger MK11 or Blued version if you were going to do this project ??

PC,

I built my Taylor on a 338 Win M77 Ruger rifle, w/ tang safety. I just like the tang safety

I used a Shilen barrel 26" #5 contour barrel,NECG barrel band front sight and Island rear, barrel band front swivel, added 2 crossbolts, pillar bedded and floated with matte Gun Kote finished the entire barrel and action.

I left the hard red rubber reciol pad, will change in the future. The rifle balances nicely, comes to the shoulder like a good O/U shotgun. Using the 338 Win as a base rifle required no modification to the feed rails beside a nice polish job.

The only complaint I have about the Ruger is the magazine box only allows for an COL of 3.40-3.45" I would have liked to have a 3.50" box. You can gain magazine box length in the newer models.I would post a pic but my main computer crashed and I am in the process of recovering pics and files.

Good Day

BD

Thanks Big Dog,

would love to see a pic.

Do you reccomend the stainless action or the blued one for this project, I would use the Taylor .416 for 350 gr mainly as I have a .416 Rigby but the dummy rounds I would send to my smith I would have loaded using 410 gr woodleigh's seated to the cannelure. Would the Ruger Mag have enough length to be able to use a 410 gr .416 woodleigh seated to the cannelure ??

As the owner of numerous blued Rugers and one stainless........it is my impression that the blued ones are much slicker......and the finish work quite a little better on the blued versions........

Thanks SD,

I think if I follow this project through I will punt for a blued MK11 .338.

I think this project would make for a nice light handy thumper !!

PC:

I have several Rugers and just like blued finish and nice hand rubbed wood. I with SD on this one the blued actions feel smoother.

I have shot the Hornady 400 gr. bullet seated to the cannelure with a light crimp as well as out of the cannelure. I have used the Speer 350 mag tip an found it performs well in the Taylor. The Barnes X I found works but it a long bullet and when seasted takes up alot of case room.

Check out Brians 416 Taylor web page some good info can be found there.

I will get pics posted as soon as I am able.

Good day

BD

PC,
I had a .416 Taylor built on the stainless Ruger M77 MkII action from a .338 WinMag.

I replaced the alloy floorplate with the stainless steel one off of a Ruger varmint rifle.

Ruger puts steel floorplates on their stainless varmint rifles (heavy barrel .25-06) but aluminum alloy floorplates on the .338 WM. Go figure! Anyway, the separate triggerguard is steel on both.

I chose stainless due to this being an Alaskan rifle for cold and wet weather. I have the Rigby in walnut and blue for Africa.

I used a 26" N0. 4 contour Shilen stainless barrel of 1 in 14" twist. It is light and handy.

It gets 2400 fps easily with 400 grain bullets and RL-15.

It gets 2700 fps easily with 300 grain bullets and IMR 3031.

It feeds and functions great and will put 3 shots into 1 MOA or better.

If Imagestation still works, I might find a picture.

Tupperware stock. Still looking for the perfect stock: Walnut, McMillan, or Brown Precision? Acrabond would be the only laminate that I would want to have.

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Ripdag ,

I like your .416 Taylor, something I would liek to know about pulling barrels of stainless actions however is I read on another thread that it is hard to pulld barrels from Browning stainless actions as well as M70 actions without tearing off action threads ?? Does this extend to the Ruger stainless rifles ??

That is darn good velocity for a 400 gr bullet from that case and I find it amazing that the .338 win mag will only drive the 250 gr bullet as about as fats as the taylor drives the 300 gr

I think I would like to use some woodleigh 340's in this rifle there a protected point bullet as well.

PC,
Ruger stainless and chromemoly/blue factory barreled actions: no worries to unscrewing the barrel from the action.

Browning: Forget it!

CZ rifles are the toughest that are still do-able. They are just torqued in so tight at the factory that they are hard to undo. May require heating action ring with low heat torch, and lead blocks clamping barrel in vise, and cheater bar on the action wrench.

Winchesters are not bad.

When you increase the bore diameter of a given cartridge case capacity, you always will get higher velocity for the same bullet bullet weight. You also will use a faster powder to do so. That is why necking up gives more KO/KE/Mo/V/BSI/Whump/Whomp/OGW/etc.

The Taylor velocity for a 24" barrel would be expected to be 2350 fps with 400 grain bullets, but some fast barrels will surprise. 2400 fps with a 26" barrel is easy. The Taylor is one of those magnificently "efficient" cartridges, when working at 50,000 psi. No worries.

The 340 to 350 grainers would be great all arounders with Woodleigh, North Fork, and Barnes X.

RIP,

Is the .416 Taylor suited to a 22" barrel at all ?? or do you feel this is sacrificing to much velocity ??

If I build a .416 Taylor it would specifically be for shooting the 300-350 range of .416 Bullets.

This would give a more powerful whomp than a .375 H&H with a 300 gr bullet I would reckon ??

PC,
If I chopped the barrel of mine from 26" to 22", I would probably lose about 100 fps. I would expect it to do 2600 fps with 300 grain bullets, about like a hot loaded .375 H&H, but with wider bullets of same weight and poorer BC and SD.

Hi PC
I have a 416 Taylor built from a Ruger MK1 that was a 338. The original stock didn't stand up to the change but the rifle is awesome. It has a Douglas 24 inch barrel that started out at 26 inches and was cut back to 24 without losing much in velocity. I get 2400 fps with 400 grain Hornady's using Reloader 15 with good accuracy. The limiting factor with the Ruger is the magazine box. My 416 has quite a bit of free bore that I can't take advantage of. I tried loading single rounds with the bullets set out close to the lands to see if the freebore was effecting accuracy but it made no difference. The weight is 9.25 lbs and it's a real up North thumper for Moose or bear. Kind of comforting while packing out quarters.

Take care,
Dave

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RIP & 470

how do you compare the killing power of the .416 Taylor to the .375 H&H ?? Does the increased surface area of the .416 bullet give something for it's loss of BC & SD ??

In the next year I have an urge for a;

Motorbike Big bore (.416 Taylor. or .458 winnie)
.404 Jeffery
.500 cal of some type
6.5x55.

I wonder if it will all happen

Hi PC
You should check on the BC and Sectional Density of the 416's compared to the 375's. Keep in mind you have to compare the heavies with the heavies and not dropped weight with one and max weight with the other.
416-400 grain Sec Den .330 BC .316

375-300 grain Sec Den .305 BC .284
These are from the A-Square triad bullets.

The 416 Taylor hit a whole lot harder than the 375. I broadsided a Moose with the 416 Taylor with a 400 grain Hornady and the exit was most impressive.
Take care,
Dave

Thanks Dave,

From all accounts the .416 Taylor has it's own little following and for this task it would be probably well suited.

How dear is proper headstamped brass and where can one get it if wanted ??

Dave your rifle looks great !! Did you use a stainlles or blued Ruger action ??

Also do you use the standard Ruger Rings ??

And what stock did you finish up using ??

Thanks Dave.

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PC,

Quality Cartridge has headstamped brass if needed. You can always gey your smith to mark you barrel 416 taylor (416/458 win).

Have fun with the project.

Good day

BD

Hi PC,
I used the blued Ruger action with standard rings and the stock is a Bell Carlson. The barrel is a Douglas barrel with barrel band. The pad is the F990 Pachmayer. It's really nice to shoot.
Take care,
Dave