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| Ann are you going to shoot both loads to see if they print close?, As I understand the gentlemen who shoot doubles on the buff load one soild and one soft,and it appears they do the same in bolt guns soft first followed by solids, with the Marlin you could do the same, if their close enough |
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| It will be interesting to see how those big round noses do. Make sure to shoot one up the tail pipe and note how far it gets.
One way to get the bullets back out of game is to offer the skinner $5 for each bullet recovered. Suddenly he will be a lot more interested in his work. |
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| I would recomend a soft on an animal that large with a 45-70. |
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One way to get the bullets back out of game is to offer the skinner $5 for each bullet recovered. Suddenly he will be a lot more interested in his work.
Let's hope Ann doesn't owe the skinner more than $10.00 for his services. ![[Wink]](images/icons/wink.gif) If they kill it with a handgun that 500gr fmj fp load she's picked out should have no problem.
Wonder who's bullet Buffalo Bore uses in that loading?
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I would not recomend a soft on an animal that large with a 45-70.
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I would not recomend a soft on an animal that large with a 45-70.
Hell I dont know what I am doing on these threads.... I made a double post. |
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| If you email Tim Sundles he might tell you. |
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If they kill it with a handgun that 500gr fmj fp load she's picked out should have no problem.
Wonder who's bullet Buffalo Bore uses in that loading?
I may be wrong but I thought the 500 grain fmj was a round nose and it looks to me like a hornady.
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| Turns out those really are FMJ RN bullets. Ann, I think you have made a wise choice (well,...as wise as possible with the 45-70 limit in mind ) |
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| I wonder if they will hold up in my 450 ack or 450 3 1/4"? |
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| If I were you, I'd try too break both shoulders and then I would know what I had..Any gun will kill a Buffalo if you lung shoot him and have lunch before taking up the track....I would also like to see what would happen if you shot him between the eyes and where the bullet ended up...
That coming at you shot is what qualifys a Buffalo gun!! nothing else..if the gun will not stop a charge then your merely performing a stunt.
I think you might get it done with a 500 gr. FMJ-FN solid in the 45-70 at about 1500 FPS. and I would sure chronograph the loads before I shot the buffalo no matter which bullet I chose...
I don't trust lead bullets unless they have been proven...to hard they splinter and go everywhere, too soft and they wad up and go astray...If they are right they work very well indeed, but a Cape Buffalo is no deer or elk, he can tear up a premium bullet in a 416 or 458 Lott on ocassions, I have some photos if your curious... |
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Roger and Dan,
Sounds like not only will I get a dead buffalo but quite possibly a broken clavical.
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Anne
don't you worry about hurting that Marlin! Just take it if you want to. Have fun!
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Where exactly is the clavicle on a Marlin ? ![[Big Grin]](images/icons/grin.gif) |
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| The Buffalo Bore 45-70 Magnum 500 grain FMJFN is not a round nose bullet, it is a flat nose with a substantial meplat.  Buffalo Bore 45-70 Magnum 500 grain FMJFN (1625 fps /M.E. 2931 ft. lbs.) A non-expanding Full Metal Jacket bullet designed for the deepest penetration on the largest game animals. [ 06-12-2003, 20:00: Message edited by: jackfish ] |
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| Ann . . .
Too bad you didn't use the Garretts! His are the better of the two. His alloy cannot be duplicated by machine bullet makers and have to be hand-made - each batch! No brittleness and they are the hardest at 25BHN. |
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| Hey Ann! Didja get enough opinions yet? They all look like they have some merit to me. But I tend to go with someone who's been there, done that, and has the scars to prove it. |
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CapeBuff...check your PM
TXPO...
excuse my ignorance ( I freely admitt it where applicable) but what is PM ? ? ? ![[Embarrassed]](images/icons/blush.gif) |
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| We tested some heat treated Fusilier brand 400gr
lead bullets, to see how fast they could go
without stripping and leading the bore.They had tested them at 2700 and they worked.We got them to
3200 in my 458HE, the same as jacketed bullets.
I couldn't believe it, no leading.And they went
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| Ed: From my understanding, the magic is in the lube. If you want, I'll email the recipe I was given... 400 grains, at 3200 fps????? ![[Eek!]](images/icons/shocked.gif) s [ 06-14-2003, 09:47: Message edited by: Socrates ] |
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| Socrates--Yes the lube was a factor,It seemed
to be like the sizing wax for reloading,But they
were real hard so the lead didn't strip at
high speed.Have a couple left and they soften with 5 years of age.Only about 2/3 as hard.Ed. |
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Turns out those really are FMJ RN bullets. Ann, I think you have made a wise choice (well,...as wise as possible with the 45-70 limit in mind )
Them bullets are flat nosed. But if you wish hard enough, they just might become round nosed. ~~~Suluuq |
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| Oops! typo, I meant they really are FMJ FN bullets. Not as good as Bridgers of course, but probably they need rounded sides to function through a lever action. |
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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
The 500 Gr. FMJ-FN is on my short list for my 45-70 cape buff hunt.
Looking for your thoughts, good and bad. Any of you used this ammo?
Ann... correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the rules of this raffle dictate Hardcast bullets must be used? I seem to think the argument revolved around the levergun/45-70/hardcast? ~~~Suluuq
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