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I just bought a new Ruger 416 Rigby because I understood from the forum that it didn't need what the CZs needed to shoot without the concern of stock splitting. Something to the effect that the Ruger has the cross bolt and has the relief to prevent the splitting so by the time you buy the CZ and do the modifications, you'll be closer to the cost of the Ruger..... I just recently read a post where a Ruger got some stock damage. Sooooo, what does need to be done to ensure stock survival under standard shooting conditions? Why doesn't Ruger do the needed modifications in-house and just add the $ $ to the cost? Thought I was paying a premium for increased quality... what to do, what to do | ||
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I dont recall hearing of many instances on here of the RSM's having too many such stock problems (in fact none that I recall, but I'll allow it's not impossible). My .375 shows none in 200+ rds so far. Perhaps a poll of those here who can give us all a report on this problem ref RSM's? I'll be watching this thread as I'm interested too. I'm sure certain individual guns vary in their assembly and may be more prone to it than others. Various makes/brands also probably vary alot. But again I've seen no complaints here ref the Rugers. I know many individuals do seem to just bed and cross-bolt as a matter of habit on all their heavy guns. .22 LR Ruger M77/22 30-06 Ruger M77/MkII .375 H&H Ruger RSM | |||
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What to do? Address the issue BEFORE it becomes a problem. George  | |||
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I didn't hear of a chronic problem with the RSM and that's why I got one. Then a week after I bought mine this posting was placed. Woe is me... https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4711043/m/432104052 | |||
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You're repeating yourself. Why? Is it your intention to wallpaper AR with your lamentations? George | |||
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Not repeating myself, just pointing 458RugerNo1 to the related post. If I modify the stock in any way won't that eliminate the possibility of returning it to Ruger if a problem occurs? If I wanted to putz with a rifle to that extent, I would have bought, parts is parts, and made what should be coming from the factory to start with. Should I send it to Ruger and have them bed it since it is a design defect, manufacturing defect, materials defect, assembly defect, quality control defect? My frustration surfaces from two years of reading, posting, and saving my nickels to buy a great U.S. made gun to use out of the box. It would be like buying a Ford with a Power Stroke and then being told that since it has more power (a big bore) than the other engines, I have to pull the transmission and put in some rubber dampeners so that the transmission won't crack.... and it should be done before I drive it on the highway.... | |||
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All factory rifles in big bore calibers need to be glassed, cross bolts installed....and most custom rifles....why risk a big dollar safari over such a minimal expense...I have seen some very high dollar custom rifles split out with the big bore calibers and have heard the same gunsmith claim that proper inletting won't do this, well thats BS...A big bore, in time, will pound out a gap in wood, then when it gets that running start it will split them, any of them....I have even seen the fibers come apart on composite stocks until they looked like a gob of steel wool...That was on Ross Seyfrieds NYati as I recall. Be prepared for recoil and take the necessary precautions before you need them, a pound of prevention is better than a ton of cure and all that rot.... Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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If the stock isn't already cracked, Ruger won't do anything for you. If you wait until it's cracked, Ruger will replace the stock. In neither case will they bed or relieve the tang. If you don't want it to crack, have it addressed by a gunsmith familiar with big bore rifles, or do it yourself. BTW, this is not the 'Ruger rant' board. If you want to bitch and moan, write to Ruger. George | |||
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Price out a custom bbl remotely resembling the one on the Ruger safari and then figure out how many actual Ruger safari rifles you could buy with that amount of money. I suspect you might consider "putzing" with the rifle at that point. JMHO, JohnTheGreek | |||
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I have close to 600 rounds through my 416, it's one of the original ones, with the sling swivel in the forearm and a 24" barrel. It's like one of the first 50 produced. Never had any problems, but like George said, why take the chance so I had the metal bar system Ruger uses glass bedded. The rifle shoots like yours does with a different powder bullet combo and it never changes POI. I'd send it to Ruger and be done with it. They'll make it right. jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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I'm the one that had the problem with Ruger. I had been warned, but didn't bed it for fear that it would ruin the guarantee. That was a mistake. I sent it back to Ruger yesterday. When I get it back, it goes straight to the smith for bedding, relieving the tang, reinforcing the lug, adding a cross bolt and as long as its there, ensuring perfect feeding. Cost esitamte by Brockman's custom Gunsmithing is $400.00. The first one I had was in 375 H&H and wouldn't group better than 4" at 100 yards. They bought it back. My new/used one is a shooter. Even knowing what I now now, I would buy the Ruger and do the extra work - before I had a problem. It is a hell of a rifle for money. "There are worse memorials to a life well-lived than a pair of elephant tusks." Robert Ruark | |||
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Very well said Ray  Charlie | |||
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I'd say you're worrying about something that hasn't happened yet. If it does deal with it at that point. Start shooting it and enjoy it. Watch the usual stress points and if you notice a problem starting then you can worry about it. You may never have a problem at all, or perhaps you may, hard to say for sure. .22 LR Ruger M77/22 30-06 Ruger M77/MkII .375 H&H Ruger RSM | |||
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458 Ruger no.1, So what if all those problems happen while your on a $50,000 safari? It has happened with some of our clients, and more than a few times. I suppose some folks buy a big bore for bragging rights and stick them in the gun cabinet, others buy them just to shoot at the range and they can get by fine until one splits, if it ever does, but for the buyer who intends to hunt the far away remote places in the world a little "fix'en" ain't all that bad an idea and having to borrow a guides or PHs gun is sometimes akin to a disaster....   Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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No argument with you there Ray, I'm not disagreeing by any means. I guess my focus and response was more on him seeming to have not shot it yet at all or very little and already worrying about it. To bed and do those things is a wise precaution indeed. He didn't indicate he had an imminent trip planned, so a few hundred rounds through it would point out any bugs it is likely to have. I'd put at least 300-400 rds thru it before feeling 100% comfortable and proficient with any such rifle. This is likely to bring out any flaws it had in the process. .22 LR Ruger M77/22 30-06 Ruger M77/MkII .375 H&H Ruger RSM | |||
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The Ruger does not require an added crossbolt because of the unique system used to bed the action. IT employs a steel bar that lays flat inside the stock and locks in the barreled action. All you have to do is bed the steel shank.The reason yours split that way was because the stock was not properly inletted around that area. Mark Penrod worked on mine and did not see a need for a crossbolt. jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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I put abouit a 1000 rounds thruogh a Ruger No l in 416 Rem Mag with no problems at all. | |||
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