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If a company on the US says it can scale actions up to ones' hearts desire, but needs approval to build over 50cal, is this a major hassle to get this approval? Anyone know what the time factor is usually? Karl. | ||
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the actual listing it about .500, NOT .510 (50 cal) there are several rounds listed as exempt, as they are recognized as sporting rounds. call your local office and ask jeffe | |||
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The action size is irrelevant. It's the bore size. And as long as it's for a recognized sporting round even that requires no approval. Either the question was asked differently or I am missing something (which has happened once or twice). | |||
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No company building actions need approval, it is the cartridge that is registered if it isn't already an existing cartridge.It took RNS about 2 months to get approval and a letter of registration for the 550 caliber.Any over 50 calibers like 585,577 NE, 600 NE, 700 NE. 12GA, 8 bore, 4 bore, etc, all are already approved for sporting use, as they were in use before the dumb, dingy law was put in...Ed | |||
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Quote: You need to have a firearm manufacturing license from the BATF in order to start producing firearms commercially. | |||
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Karl, The only problem out here is with some of our rifle ranges. For example the SSAA indoor range at St Mary's Sydney won't allow anything over 458 bore irrespective of the cartridge. On the other hand the range at Silverdale will allow evrything except 50 BMG. Mike | |||
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Hubel458 was refering to there not being a special approval process for the oversize action, not a manufacturing license for actions in general, Mauser. BTW Karl, if an action builder actually told you that they had to have approval to build a big action or even a barreled action over 50 cal and didn't explain it better than that then I would begin to question their experience as manufacturers. | |||
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Thanks for the clarification! Sorry my bad!!! Quote: | |||
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To clarify here is part of an email from Borchardt rifles on the manufacture of a 700nitro on their 50BMG action. " With a barreled action we would use a Kreiger barrel, which we can get in Smoothbore or rifled. The only stumbling point would be if our ATF allow us to produce them, since they are over a half inch bore. On the plus side, if we get the go-ahead to produce .700's then we could also produce 4-bores and 6-bores for you" ?? Karl. | |||
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I guess they never built one that size and haven't been through the drill or their concerns are on the export side of the issue. I can't speak to the export issues but they do not need BATF approval to build a 700 Nitro or any of the old "bore" calibers. | |||
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Tiger is right.They can build anything considered sporting, whether grandfathered in when law was passed, or registered later like 550 Mag,A-SQ stuff, JDJ stuff, etc..They have only built 50s and as you say have to go through the process once.Ie have to get familiar with the rules. Now to make actions, as a business, for sale they have to be licensed as a manufacturer.As far as exporting, that is another can of rules and licenses they have to work through, no matter the size of actions or the bore. | |||
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Okay, that sounds good then.Thanks. As long as our dollar holds I should be okay. By the way, you guys suffer a fair bit of paperwork strangulation too by the sound of things. Did say Roy weatherby have to worry about this crap when he started exporting in his day? Karl. | |||
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Karl-Exporting, importing guns and shooting stuff is a real hassle.That is what slowed down John getting his bullet making going as he applied for exporting when he applied for manufacturing license, and exporting involves state dept and commerce dept, the manufacturing ATF and what a screwy process he had to go through.Just like big AL and Mike can't get ammo for Tula 4 bore guns, as state and commerce wouldn't approve import.What Borchardt needs to do is get the process started to get an export license, as it take months.I will call and see if they are willing.They have a good product for all big bores, old and new, and need encouraging to get it around the world.Ed. | |||
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