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Originally posted by Double BC:
http://www.gscustomusa.com/411317HV276.html

"Is this the most versatile bullet ever?"
That is a loaded question.

It is an excellent pick for a .411-grooved rifle.

But, I like this one even better, for use in my .410"-grooved .410/404 JRNE,
because it has slightly better sectional density.
Also, mine has one more drive band on it than yours does.

A .410"/325-grain soft, GS Custom HV, 410325HV170: #25 $53.00

http://www.gscustomusa.com/410325HV170.html




1:16" or faster twist recommended, my twist is 1:14".

Your bullet: A .411"/317-grain soft, GS Custom HV




However, I have stocked up on your pick for use in my .411"-grooved 400 Whelen-B.
It is great for loading out to almost .375 H&H length in the 400 Whelen,
if you have enough throat and box length.

Very similar bullets, both excellent for their calibers, both most versatile for caliber.
To "unload" your question you must specify "for caliber."
There are no absolutes, everything is relative, and it depends: Viking law.


Rip
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I'm jealous of your drive band.......

But mine has a better nose profile.

I'm pretty impressed with the GSC offerings.

They are so similar I'm sure that only the most discerning game animal will be able to tell the difference when plugged with one or the other.
"was that 5 driving bands or just 4 that just ventilated by rib cage?"

quote:

Originally posted by Snellstrom:
They are so similar I'm sure that only the most discerning game animal will be able to tell the difference when plugged with one or the other.
"was that 5 driving bands or just 4 that just ventilated by rib cage?"

Their site claims that all bullets are guaranteed to be within .25% of the claimed weight. To meet that criteria a bullet could weigh over or under by .25%. In the case of the 315 grain bullet, that would mean a variance of 1.5 grains. Even standard hunting bullets, let alone match bullets are discarded for much less variance than that. It doesn't say much about their manufacturing technique.

quote:

Originally posted by Snellstrom:
They are so similar I'm sure that only the most discerning game animal will be able to tell the difference when plugged with one or the other.
"was that 5 driving bands or just 4 that just ventilated by rib cage?"

Snellstrom,
That was a good one indeed.

quote:

Originally posted by Double BC:
I'm jealous of your drive band.......

But mine has a better nose profile.

I'm pretty impressed with the GSC offerings.

You have a "point" there!

The quoted G1 BC versus velocity brackets makes for an interesting comparison between the two bullets.

.411/317gr HV
2550 to 3500 fps: BC = 0.458
1600 to 2550 fps: BC = 0.428
0 to 1600 fps: BC = 0.418

.410/325gr HV
2700 fps to "Maximum M/V": BC = 0.462
1600 to 2700 fps: BC = 0.422
0 to 1600 fps: BC = 0.412

Apples and oranges on the velocity brackets except the lowest velocity one.
But you win on BC, however you cut it.
They both get better the faster they go.

In what rifle chambering are you interested in using that .411/317 HV?
I might have some 400 Whelen data for it.

As to the +/- one quarter of one percent weight variation claim:
That is a blanket statement that covers such a broad array of bullets, that it will do, for honesty, I reckon.

Variations are much smaller in actuality within a single bullet type, surely.

Is there any other bullet maker that makes more bullet types than GS Custom?
Cutting Edge may be catching up to them, but it will be a while yet.

Rip
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Rip,

It's for a 400hh I'm having built, should get to 2700fps. Still flip flopping from it to a 375.

Id call it close enough for "guvment" work..Its at least as good as the best of the best..that being the Northfork cup point.

For me it is the Nosler Partition...

quote:

Originally posted by Double BC:
http://www.gscustomusa.com/411317HV276.html

I hope that high BC is high enough to make up for a reduction in powder capacity, and resultant lower MV, from loading that very long bullet compared to a more traditional shaped .411 caliber bullet. For example, your bullet is 1/3" longer than a 350 grain, yes 350 grain, Hawk .411, or 1.54" vs. 1.2". When loaded to the same COAL, that makes for a usable case capacity difference of 9.4 grains of H2O. That's an 11% reduction in powder capacity when using the lighter 317 grain GSC bullet! For a long range bullet the extra BC is well worth giving up a little MV/ME, but it may not be worth the trade off for shooting big game animals within a couple hundred yards, surely it's not for shooting game within 100 yards.

I shoot a few .411 caliber rifles, including a .400 H&H, but I don't use them for "bean field" shooting, cross canyon hunting, or for high power rifle competition. So, I think I'll keep to the traditional game bullet fare for my shooting, thank you.

Traditions are great. But isn't that loong neck meant for looooong bullets. Lighter bullets a little less recoil. I think the traditional bullets are great and would have the rifle sights regulated with 400 grainers but it is nice to have options.

Options are nice and so is a wind cheating screamer good for 300 yards.

quote:

Originally posted by Double BC:
Rip,

It's for a 400hh I'm having built, should get to 2700fps. Still flip flopping from it to a 375.

Ahh, go for the 400. A rifle with Extra extra perfection.

Its really hard to have an opine on such a subject as everyone has a favorite bullet,but the catch these days is they are all damn good bullets, big hurrah for the bullet companies..

Nosler, Swift, GS Customs, Woodleighs, Northforks, Rem corelokts, Hornady, Win. PPs, and probably some more that my 82 year old gray matter left out..You would be hard pressed to fault any of the above. If you do then your gray matter is failing...

For all practical, hunting purposes, all the copper bullets perform very close to each other, despite some rather outlandish claims from some manufacturers.

Copper made billets are the best available for hunting today.

Use whichever shoots well in your rifle.

I guess I'm just old fashioned, as Steve McQueen said in "The Magnificent Seven"

"We deal in lead"