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I have shot a lot of buffalo with the 400 gr. Nolser partition in my .416 Remington and yes it sheds the front lead, but what remains is the expanded rear portion that is about 2/3s of the bullet length and 1/3 are the petals that are expanded to about 50 caliber, all that is missing is a bit of lead and it caused a lot of damage I am sure. and IMO it's a perfect Buffalo bullet, and the recovered bullets look like a perfectly expanded Barnes X or GS Customs with the traditional petals peeled back against the base.....The partition in the .416 is further forward than that of other Noslers..

IMO, too many folks make claims on bullets that they have not tried personally..I may not like a certain bullet maker in one caliber but like the same bullet maker in another caliber, its not all about brand names..I normally don't like Speer bullets but the 130 gr. Speer .284 is an awesome bullet in the 284 Win. or 7x57..as is the Sierra 250 gr. .375 bullet, and I don't normally like Sierras for hunting..I have found Barnes X to be excellent on Buffalo but have had problems on plainsgame with them in the 30 calibers...so there ya go...All of the companies make some good and some bad bullets IMO....I suppose this is taboo on the internet however!

I would be glad to furnish expanded Noslers from Cape Buffalo to anyone wanting to see them, in fact I have posted them in the past on this board.

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Originally posted by ALF:
Results on my first bullet test:

I took a long pice of clear pipe and attached it to a faucet and found if i opened it up fully that there were no bubbles in the tail end of the pipe.

I first put a screw into the pipe so it protrudes into the lumen, when the water flow was opened there was trailing bubble cavitation behind the screw.

I then placed the 375 barnes solid in the pipe and opened the water, nothing ! there was cavitation forming on the rod that held the bullet.

The next step was to use a 404 GSC FN.

Here there was definite cavitation around the base of the bullet.

At this point it would appear that I do not have enough pressure to ensure enough water flow velocity.

So the next step is going to mean I have to go to a smaller bore pipe, hopefully that will speed the water flow up enough to have the desired effect.

I'm not an engineer or anything but I didn't think that bubbles (likely from the water source) sticking in the eddies behind an object are actually cavitation. I would think that you would need some seriously fast waterflow (way faster than a tap/hose can generate) to produce cavitation on something like a bullet.

Could be wrong though.

You should take some pics or make some video of your experiment. Might be interesting to see.

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I'm with Ray on the 458 Nosler partition.

It will probably be more effective than a Swift of Barnes X even though it will not have as much retained weight as the Swift.

It will have more Frontal Area than the Barnes or probably the Swift.

Remember a Soft Point is supposed to be (kind of) soft!

The large caliber Noslers have a very thick copper ogive and even without lead attached have pretty good Frontal Area. Compared to their 30 caliber, they are very stout and maintain a large FA.

The pro-shop guys told me that Winchester was going to load the .458 Nosler partition in their .458 WM ammo.

One can only hope that the loaded ammo is $4 apiece, not the bullet!

PS Would you guys seat this bullet to the canelure or shoot as is and hope it stayed put in the magazine box? This is 3.785 OCL and they feed well. This is 90/1000 off the rifling in my 450 Dakota barrel.



Andy

Andy,

Is there anything prohibitive about shooting multiple rounds as is to see what happens? I'd try a bunch and see

PWS,

I fired four and the 4th down very slightly moved backwards.

I asked Nosler about how they seat the 450 Dakota and Weatherby on their forum but have got no answer yet. Deffinately made for the .458 Winchester.

I got 2360 fps at 45 degrees F with 96 grains RL-15 which is about like I would with other 500 grain bullets.

They function perfectly.

Andy